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It's half past 10:00 at night,
and all well-ordered children

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should be in bed.

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So it's safe to talk about
flying saucers, and people

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from outer space.

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People who may be
circulating among us now,

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and who demonstrate their
unearthly qualities,

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if they choose you as
one of their agents,

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by disappearing and reappearing
at will in your very presence.

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In front, if necessary,
of many witnesses.

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And who land on this
materialistic earth

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in flying saucers, to which you,
if you're one of the chosen,

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shall enter through an
anti-gravity elevator.

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Nothing to hold you up.

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You just whisk up into the
body of the flying saucer--

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a scout ship from outer space.

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No way.

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I'm not really joking.

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Because I've got a man now--

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here and now--
one of the men who

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claims fervently that he has met
these people from outer space,

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has talked to them,
and has been given

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secrets of things,
such as a time machine,

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from men from outer space.

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You'll meet this man after this
plebeian and earthly message.

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The man you're going to meet
in a moment of two, George Van

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Tassel from Giant
Rock, California.

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He's a most unlikely
person to claim

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to have seen flying saucers,
and been in touch with people

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from outer space.

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George is a very
ordinary fellow.

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He doesn't make any money out
of his flying saucer beliefs.

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But boy, he really
believes them.

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And before I start
talking to George,

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I want to tell you,
too, that I do have

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a couple of doubts in my mind.

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We all see these
newspaper reports

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from Socorro, New Mexico,
that a mysterious craft

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landed, and took off, and
left blast marks in the sand.

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Airline pilots from
time to time talk

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delicately about
strange aircraft

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circling their normal
aircraft in flight.

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Perhaps even cutting off
the power of their engines

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momentarily.

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We all love to talk about the
mysterious, and the unknown,

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and the flying saucers.

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So now it's to George Van
Tassel and this question.

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[NO AUDIO]

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-- time machine you're
building down in California.

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Well, Jack, this was the
result of a formula, which

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was given to me by a man who
landed a ship at my airport

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in 1953.

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And we put this
formula under research.

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Tested a number of
experiments on a bench

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in a good electronics
lab in Chicago,

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and we produced
phenomenal results,

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with evidence that we should
do it on a larger scale

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in order to be able
to do more with it.

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And this evolved
out of something

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that started in 1953, into
a four-story high machine,

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that we're working
on down here today.

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Now, George, And I don't
care whether the machine is

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four stories high, or 40 stories
high, or four inches high.

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When I say calmly and
unexcitedly, a time machine,

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what does your formula tell you
you can do with a time machine?

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Well, Jack, our formula
has no time factor, which

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a electronic formula does have.

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And on the other hand,
electronic science

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has only had two
dimensions to work with--

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the electric pattern,
and the magnetic pattern

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perpendicular to it.

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And we discovered a third zone,
which we call a time zone.

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And we are working through
this zone with an effort

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to orient the magnetic
field to give us

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other results, than our
science can obtain at present.

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George, it's double-talk to me.

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A time machine means
to me a little box

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I can go into, and go back 5,000
years, or forward 10,000 years.

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Is that what your formula
tells you you can do?

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Well, Jack, this
isn't a little box.

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This is a four story
machine, focusing fields

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that we can orient to produce
this zone big enough for a man

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to get into.

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It isn't a box--

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But what happens to the man
when he gets into the zone?

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I'm all agog with curiosity.

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Well, Jack, we've
discovered this zone

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is subject to thought.

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Now, since time doesn't
record events the way

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we do on calendars
and clocks, you

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could only record an
event by thinking of it.

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Now, theoretically,
we believe we

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can take the videotape
magnetic camera into the time

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zone, and photograph
Lincoln's Gettysburg Address,

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or Caesar's armies marching, or
anything that's ever happened.

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All right.

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Let me get this straight.

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In other words,
you're telling me,

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like H. G. Wells imagined 50
years ago, that everything that

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happened in time is
still there to be

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seen by the recreation
electronically

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of a thought which exists.

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Jack, you know how you talk
into a tape on a tape recorder,

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and play the interruptions back?

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Identical to the
play that you made.

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The Earth's magnetic
field is the same way.

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You can put
interruptions into it,

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and play them back out of it.

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An associate of ours, in
creating a magnetic coupler

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with this principle, coupled
in the Earth's magnetic field,

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and played back TV shows from
stations that aren't even

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in business anymore.

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You mean, that an
experiment has been

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done to bring out of the air
television programs which

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have been and gone?

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Been and gone.

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Now, where was this
experiment conducted?

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It was conducted in Santa
Monica by an associate of mine.

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Why hasn't this hit the
headlines throughout the world?

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That's a time machine in action.

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Well, Jack, the reason
it hasn't hit the world

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is because, as I
understand it now,

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the Navy department took
him and the research over,

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because he also
discovered he could

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bounce magnetic echos
off the ionosphere

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and locate submarines
under the ocean,

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regardless of where they were.

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Who is this associate of yours?

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This is a fellow
named Charlie Artz.

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Charlie Artz?

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Yeah.

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And is he a free man
walking around today?

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Well, he's free where he is,
in this super secret research

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he's conducting.

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Now, so can you tell me soberly
in front of the television

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camera that things--

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old television programs-- have
been re-created out of nothing?

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Played back with the picture
and the sound just as good

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as the day they were broadcast.

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We've done this many times.

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Why didn't you bring
one up with you?

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Well, this requires quite
a piece of apparatus.

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This magnetic coupler works
on around 50,000 volts,

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and it doesn't have any radio
frequency connected with it.

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And actually, the television
set which plays back the picture

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doesn't even have an
antenna connected to it.

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George, you know
as well as I do--

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and you've been on television
330 times, and I've known you,

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I met you once seven years
ago, and I kind of like you--

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but you know what the
people out there are saying.

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They're saying
this man is a nut.

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Well, Jack, you know when
Fulton was running his steamboat

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up the Hudson River, there
were people still standing

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on the banks saying
it couldn't be done.

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All right.

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Let me take you
through the backdoor.

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You have a time machine plan.

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You have done
experiments which show

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you can bring the past to life.

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Where did this
formula come from?

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I love that Scotch accent.

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Jack, the formula came from a
ship that landed at my airport

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in 1953, on August
the 24th, which

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had four people aboard it.

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It came from another planet.

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I'm breathless.

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Well, you're not
only breathless.

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I was breathless.

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But I'm cynical, too.

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Well, that's fine.

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That's the way to be.

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In fact, I'm a bigger skeptic
than you are, of many things.

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I'm an unbeliever.

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Convince me that this
really happened to you.

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Well, this thing is very
similar to a thing that's

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happened in our
biblical records,

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where Our Lord presented
Moses with a pattern

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to build a tabernacle.

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They came out of the sky,
they handed him stone tablets.

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And this phenomena that's
taking place today,

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is as old as our history,
as our civilization.

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This isn't anything
new that's occurring.

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It's something that's
being continued

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in another time of crisis,
when conditions affecting

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the people of this planet are
reaching a point where somebody

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has to take care
of the situation.

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Now, I don't intend
in any way to be

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disrespectful or blasphemous.

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But do you feel--

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and I know you're not
an evangelistic type--

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do you feel that
you're some kind

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of Moses receiving a new word?

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Well, I don't say that, Jack.

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I say that what is occurring
now, has occurred before.

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There are many records
of these ships landing

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throughout history clear
back into Sanskrit.

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And there are records in
the 1898 Chicago newspapers

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that covered the front
page for three days,

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of a big ship
setting over Chicago.

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When you realize we're dealing
with a type of man that

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is almost as far above
us in intelligence

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as we are above
the lower animals,

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there isn't anything
phenomenal in this at all.

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Now, you say casually-- because
this is your life's work now--

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ships.

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Now, you mean flying
saucers, don't you?

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Well, a flying saucer was a name
the press but on this thing.

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And actually, what they
termed a flying saucer

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was nothing but a scout
ship from the big carriers.

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Well, I want to go back
to that night in 1953.

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Tell me, where did this happen?

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For people who haven't heard
you talk or seen you yet.

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It happened on my
airport, which I've

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operated for the last 16 years.

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A Giant Rock airport, 17
miles north of Yucca Valley

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in California, and 40 miles
north of Palm Springs.

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Now, this is a private airport
for a small aircraft, is it?

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This is an airport used both
by the military and private

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aircraft.

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You own this airport?

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I leased this airport from
the United States government.

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I've operated it for 16 years,
since I retired from the flight

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test business in the aviation--

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Right now.

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How old are you now,
by the way, George?

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I'm 54, Jack.

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Got three grown daughters,
married, and 11 grandchildren.

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You don't mind if I ask
you the stock question.

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I know you've been asked
every obnoxious question that

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can ever have been asked.

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You've never been treated for
any form of emotional upset?

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I've never had an emotional
upset, other than women.

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Except that night
in Yucca Flats--

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not Yucca Flats, Giant Rock--

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when this ship appeared.

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Now, give me the
details, George.

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Because I'm never
tired of hearing

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the details of a man who
says he has seen creatures

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from another world.

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Well, actually Jack, this was
as simple as crossing a street

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and getting hit by a car.

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After it's over, you're the
victim of the circumstance.

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And I didn't see the ship land.

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One of my son in-laws--

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that wasn't my
son-in-law at that time--

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saw it come down.

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Another man at the
airport heard it,

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and he wasn't where
he could see it.

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And the man got off of the ship
and approached me before I even

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knew there was a ship down.

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Where were you then?

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What time of day
or night was it?

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It was 2 o'clock in the morning,
and approximately a full moon,

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which is like daylight
on the desert.

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Were you walking about
outside, or what?

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No, I was sound asleep
when he awakened me.

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This man awakened you?

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Well, something awakened me.

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So you get up out of your bed.

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I got out of my bed, and went
aboard the ship at his request.

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This man, in what language
did he converse with you?

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He talked to me in the
best English equivalent

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to Ronald Coleman.

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And he met you there, and
he said-- what did he say?

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Come with me to my ship?

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Or what?

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No, he said-- I asked
him what he wanted.

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Because we have a
lot of people come in

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stuck in the sand, and
broken axles, and whatnot.

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And I asked him what
he wanted, and he said,

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my name is Solganda,
and I would be

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pleased to show you our craft.

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Solganda?

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Solganda.

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Was the craft visible
to you at this time?

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It was when he stated this.

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I saw beyond him the ship,
which I hadn't seen before.

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What did you see?

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A bell-shaped type
of anti-gravity

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ship that they operate
as a scout ship out

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of the big carriers.

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How big?

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This was 36 feet in
diameter, and 19 feet high.

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And where was it?

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On the ground?

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No, it was hovering 10
feet off the ground.

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And how did you
go into this ship?

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I walked with him to
a spot underneath it,

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and an anti-gravity
beam took me up

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through a hole in
the bottom of it.

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You're telling me that 2
o'clock in the morning,

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at Giant Rock
airport, you walked

00:13:15.620 --> 00:13:18.037 align:middle line:84%
underneath this hovering
ship, and whamo!

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You up inside.

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No, you didn't go whamo.

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You went just about as slow
as a local elevator run.

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And when you got off the
anti-gravity elevator,

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what did it look like?

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I was inside of a ship
about 18 feet in diameter,

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and roughly 10 feet high
to the domed ceiling.

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And there were three men on the
ship besides the one that had

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got off and invited me aboard.

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You keep calling the men.

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What do you mean man?

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Well--

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Little green men?

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They were about 5 foot 6.

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They came about to
my eyebrows, and they

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could have walked in our
clothes down any of our streets,

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and we wouldn't have paid
any attention to them.

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And did you bring any
proof off that ship?

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Were you alone on the ship?

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I was alone with the three men
until the other fellow came up

00:14:03.160 --> 00:14:05.460 align:middle line:84%
behind me, and then the
four of them were aboard.

00:14:05.460 --> 00:14:08.740 align:middle line:84%
Were there any other earthly
eyewitnesses to this?

00:14:08.740 --> 00:14:10.850 align:middle line:84%
Nothing on the
outside of the ship.

00:14:10.850 --> 00:14:12.430 align:middle line:90%
And these people stayed outside?

00:14:12.430 --> 00:14:13.730 align:middle line:90%
On the airport.

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And did you go
anywhere in this ship?

00:14:15.610 --> 00:14:16.630 align:middle line:90%
Not to my knowledge.

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When I got off, it
was the same place

00:14:18.280 --> 00:14:19.490 align:middle line:90%
that it was when I got on.

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What do you mean, not
to your knowledge?

00:14:20.830 --> 00:14:23.050 align:middle line:84%
Had the door closed when
you went in, or something?

00:14:23.050 --> 00:14:25.810 align:middle line:84%
I don't know, because
it was below the deck.

00:14:25.810 --> 00:14:29.200 align:middle line:84%
And did these people tell
you where they came from?

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They didn't say
where they came from.

00:14:30.830 --> 00:14:33.430 align:middle line:84%
But I've been in the
air game since 1927,

00:14:33.430 --> 00:14:35.320 align:middle line:84%
and their instruments
were unlike anything

00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:36.412 align:middle line:90%
I'd ever seen before.

00:14:36.412 --> 00:14:37.870 align:middle line:84%
Well, don't give
me technicalities.

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What was different?

00:14:39.420 --> 00:14:41.710 align:middle line:84%
The difference was that
we use dial instruments,

00:14:41.710 --> 00:14:43.180 align:middle line:84%
and they used
vertical instruments

00:14:43.180 --> 00:14:46.030 align:middle line:84%
like fluorescent tubes
with marks on them.

00:14:46.030 --> 00:14:47.500 align:middle line:90%
What color were these people?

00:14:47.500 --> 00:14:49.570 align:middle line:84%
And the instruments
were marked in symbols

00:14:49.570 --> 00:14:51.370 align:middle line:90%
similar to hieroglyphics.

00:14:51.370 --> 00:14:53.320 align:middle line:84%
They were not in any
language or number

00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:55.030 align:middle line:90%
system we use on the Earth.

00:14:55.030 --> 00:14:56.860 align:middle line:90%
What color were these people?

00:14:56.860 --> 00:15:01.060 align:middle line:84%
They looked like they were white
people with a good healthy tan.

00:15:01.060 --> 00:15:03.870 align:middle line:84%
Did they give you any
indication of how old they were,

00:15:03.870 --> 00:15:06.700 align:middle line:84%
or what they ate, or where
they came from, at all?

00:15:06.700 --> 00:15:10.750 align:middle line:84%
After we got off the ship, the
man who invited me aboard--

00:15:10.750 --> 00:15:13.990 align:middle line:84%
who didn't look a day
over 28 years of age--

00:15:13.990 --> 00:15:17.440 align:middle line:84%
told me that he was over 700
years of age in our time.

00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:19.150 align:middle line:90%
Oh, come off it, George.

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That's right.

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Was this the guy who gave
you the formula for the time

00:15:22.640 --> 00:15:23.180 align:middle line:90%
machine?

00:15:23.180 --> 00:15:24.410 align:middle line:90%
That's the man.

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And what form did
the formula take?

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Did he implant it in
your mind by telepathy?

00:15:29.750 --> 00:15:32.000 align:middle line:84%
Or did he give you something
written in English?

00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:33.820 align:middle line:90%
He spoke it to me verbally.

00:15:33.820 --> 00:15:35.020 align:middle line:90%
And you remembered this?

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There's nothing
to it to remember.

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Will you tell me now?

00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:38.460 align:middle line:90%
Yes.

00:15:38.460 --> 00:15:39.752 align:middle line:90%
The formula for a time machine.

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F equals 1 over t.

00:15:41.760 --> 00:15:43.700 align:middle line:90%
F equals 1 over t.

00:15:43.700 --> 00:15:46.942 align:middle line:84%
F being frequency,
and t being time.

00:15:46.942 --> 00:15:52.310 align:middle line:84%
This enables me to do to go back
to the time of Caesar's armies

00:15:52.310 --> 00:15:53.360 align:middle line:90%
conquering Briton?

00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:56.340 align:middle line:84%
Well, it would enable a
mathematician to work this out,

00:15:56.340 --> 00:15:56.840 align:middle line:90%
yes.

00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:59.060 align:middle line:84%
And why hasn't this been
acclaimed like Einstein

00:15:59.060 --> 00:16:01.460 align:middle line:90%
E equals mc squared?

00:16:01.460 --> 00:16:03.770 align:middle line:84%
Well, why hasn't the fact
that the United States

00:16:03.770 --> 00:16:08.740 align:middle line:84%
government's been flying
anti-gravity ships since 1956

00:16:08.740 --> 00:16:09.865 align:middle line:90%
been acclaimed?

00:16:09.865 --> 00:16:11.240 align:middle line:84%
Or the fact that
there's a crater

00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:12.590 align:middle line:90%
on the moon with a base in it?

00:16:12.590 --> 00:16:15.320 align:middle line:90%
Since 1954 we've known this.

00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:17.840 align:middle line:84%
Let's get, first
of all, the US--

00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:20.320 align:middle line:84%
Why haven't the FBI
clapped you incommunicado

00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:22.850 align:middle line:84%
for breaking secrets that
they want to keep secret

00:16:22.850 --> 00:16:24.140 align:middle line:90%
in the United States?

00:16:24.140 --> 00:16:27.380 align:middle line:84%
Well, possibly because they
know this information is going

00:16:27.380 --> 00:16:30.050 align:middle line:84%
to get out eventually
anyway, and what I say

00:16:30.050 --> 00:16:31.240 align:middle line:90%
won't make any difference.

00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:35.920 align:middle line:84%
Now, that particular night
when you had this experience,

00:16:35.920 --> 00:16:36.920 align:middle line:90%
did you call the police?

00:16:36.920 --> 00:16:39.860 align:middle line:84%
Did you call the Army, the Navy,
the Air Force, the White House?

00:16:39.860 --> 00:16:43.370 align:middle line:84%
Well I'm 17 miles from
the nearest phone, Jack.

00:16:43.370 --> 00:16:47.210 align:middle line:84%
And the nearest phone would
get me to the Sheriff's office.

00:16:47.210 --> 00:16:49.520 align:middle line:84%
And it'd take them about 40
minutes to get out there.

00:16:49.520 --> 00:16:51.440 align:middle line:84%
Well, wouldn't you have
a phone in an airport?

00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:53.620 align:middle line:90%
No, we have no phone.

00:16:53.620 --> 00:16:55.355 align:middle line:90%
But you're an operating airport.

00:16:55.355 --> 00:16:56.730 align:middle line:84%
Well, we're an
operating airport,

00:16:56.730 --> 00:16:58.640 align:middle line:84%
but we're isolated in
the middle of desert,

00:16:58.640 --> 00:17:00.440 align:middle line:90%
17 miles from the closest town.

00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:02.310 align:middle line:84%
And they've never
run phones out there.

00:17:02.310 --> 00:17:04.849 align:middle line:84%
So how do you
communicate with people

00:17:04.849 --> 00:17:06.140 align:middle line:90%
who want to use that airport?

00:17:06.140 --> 00:17:12.079 align:middle line:84%
They fly in, or write, and
phone to the local town

00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:15.859 align:middle line:84%
where my daughter lives, and she
notifies us when she comes out.

00:17:15.859 --> 00:17:17.569 align:middle line:84%
Now, you talk about
a crater on the moon.

00:17:17.569 --> 00:17:20.000 align:middle line:84%
Now, I thought all the moon
stuff had been debunked,

00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:23.119 align:middle line:84%
and nobody ever really knows
what goes on on the moon.

00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:24.020 align:middle line:90%
What's this?

00:17:24.020 --> 00:17:26.630 align:middle line:84%
Well this is the
Gassendi crater.

00:17:26.630 --> 00:17:30.770 align:middle line:84%
This is 55 miles
long, and oval shaped.

00:17:30.770 --> 00:17:35.600 align:middle line:84%
It's in the Mare Humorum
sea, or on the edge of it.

00:17:35.600 --> 00:17:37.910 align:middle line:84%
Since 35 years ago,
they've wondered

00:17:37.910 --> 00:17:41.270 align:middle line:84%
why this particular crater
had these lines in it.

00:17:41.270 --> 00:17:43.100 align:middle line:84%
And with a
magnification, which you

00:17:43.100 --> 00:17:46.830 align:middle line:84%
can get with a larger telescope,
this is what they found.

00:17:46.830 --> 00:17:50.420 align:middle line:84%
These lines are tubes laying
on the surface of this crater,

00:17:50.420 --> 00:17:52.820 align:middle line:84%
and running under some
of the mountain ridges.

00:17:52.820 --> 00:17:56.480 align:middle line:84%
There are three large
dome-shaped structures in here.

00:17:56.480 --> 00:17:59.600 align:middle line:84%
These tubes run clear
outside of the crater.

00:17:59.600 --> 00:18:01.850 align:middle line:84%
And we know there are tubes
laying on the surface,

00:18:01.850 --> 00:18:04.750 align:middle line:84%
because the sun is
shining from this angle,

00:18:04.750 --> 00:18:07.143 align:middle line:84%
and this mountain
peak causes a shadow.

00:18:07.143 --> 00:18:08.060 align:middle line:90%
What does it all mean?

00:18:08.060 --> 00:18:10.970 align:middle line:84%
Does that mean that this is a
rocket-launching, or a flying

00:18:10.970 --> 00:18:13.160 align:middle line:90%
saucer base on the moon.

00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:16.790 align:middle line:84%
This has been a base on the
moon for perhaps many thousands

00:18:16.790 --> 00:18:19.370 align:middle line:84%
of years, used by these
people in the space ships

00:18:19.370 --> 00:18:22.970 align:middle line:84%
to resupply their ships,
or whatever is required.

00:18:22.970 --> 00:18:25.290 align:middle line:84%
Not even Life magazine has
accepted this as genuine,

00:18:25.290 --> 00:18:26.060 align:middle line:90%
or has it?

00:18:26.060 --> 00:18:30.050 align:middle line:84%
Well, the Palomar Observatory
people that took the picture,

00:18:30.050 --> 00:18:31.370 align:middle line:90%
won't even comment on it.

00:18:31.370 --> 00:18:32.030 align:middle line:90%
So--

00:18:32.030 --> 00:18:33.860 align:middle line:84%
There must be a great
conspiracy of silence

00:18:33.860 --> 00:18:37.153 align:middle line:84%
to keep George Van Tassel
secret of the universe away

00:18:37.153 --> 00:18:37.820 align:middle line:90%
from the people.

00:18:37.820 --> 00:18:41.180 align:middle line:84%
No, it isn't to keep anything
I know away from the people.

00:18:41.180 --> 00:18:43.370 align:middle line:84%
It's to keep many things
away from the people.

00:18:43.370 --> 00:18:45.360 align:middle line:90%
Let's talk about this picture.

00:18:45.360 --> 00:18:47.660 align:middle line:90%
This is the time machine.

00:18:47.660 --> 00:18:52.430 align:middle line:84%
This is a picture of the machine
we're building down there.

00:18:52.430 --> 00:18:53.990 align:middle line:90%
This structure is actually up.

00:18:53.990 --> 00:18:56.150 align:middle line:84%
We're working now on the
parts, on the equipment

00:18:56.150 --> 00:18:57.800 align:middle line:90%
that operate it.

00:18:57.800 --> 00:19:02.040 align:middle line:84%
This rim around here has
armatures 57 feet in diameter,

00:19:02.040 --> 00:19:04.670 align:middle line:84%
which will be better than four
times bigger than the biggest

00:19:04.670 --> 00:19:06.910 align:middle line:90%
armatures ever made before.

00:19:06.910 --> 00:19:10.057 align:middle line:84%
Is that a place where
you did the experiments--

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by the way, how old were
these television programs

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you pulled back out
of time and space?

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Well, the oldest one
was six years back,

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because television was six
years old when this was done.

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And what program was it?

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Do you remember?

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I don't remember what
program, but I know that

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on checking up on
some of the stations

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that Art found that the
station no longer existed.

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It was out of business.

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Let's get down to some more
basics now, [INAUDIBLE]..

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Are you making a
lucrative living

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out of traveling
around the continent,

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evangelizing for flying saucers?

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No, Jack.

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I'm on a vacation
to rest my wife,

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because she's been two years
in a 40-seat restaurant

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without a rest, more
than anything else.

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And I enjoy these particular
things as a sideline.

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I make my living on the airport.

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And this research is
something that I've

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got more money into
than anybody else,

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and more contribution to it.

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Five years of intensive
research without any pay.

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We donated 10 acres of land
with a well worth $23,000,

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and we formed this
corporation for the purpose

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of building up,
and investigating

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this basic material.

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All right.

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Now, how long is it going
to take you to get your time

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machine in operation.

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Well--

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I mean, it all sounds so
crazy, you must admit.

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I believe there are
some odd things, George.

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But I find it hard to credit
because I wasn't there myself,

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your own experiences.

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Well, it took them
around eight years

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to grind the mirror of
the 200-inch telescope.

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And the first cyclotron
with something

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like 11 years in the
progress of building.

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Well, that cost
millions, George.

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You haven't got millions.

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Billions it costs.

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No.

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We don't have the overhead,
the drafts from the engineers,

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and people sitting
around on payroll.

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All of our effort on this
is voluntary by many people

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in technical fields
that contribute

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their effort to the project.

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They all believe
in flying saucers?

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They all believe
in flying saucers.

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You obviously believe
totally in flying saucers.

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Yeah.

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Because of that--

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Does your wife believe
in flying saucers?

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Well, I don't know very
many people that don't.

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It's as obvious as believing
in heaven, or afterlife,

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or anything else.

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You have certain things
you believe in life.

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You believe there's air we
breathe, yet you don't see it.

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We fly airplanes on it.

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And this is an intangible.

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We can measure it.

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But why should these
people come down--

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these-- from outer space--

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why don't they land in the White
House, or in Kremlin square

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in Moscow, and say,
hey, listen to us?

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We can tell you a few things.

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We're 700 years old.

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We can travel through space.

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We're not concerned
with time differentials.

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Well, probably
they're not concerned

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with giving us too much
of their information,

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because we'd only
use it in our battle

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to destroy each other here.

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Did these four men tell
you that themselves?

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No, they didn't tell me that.

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But this is a reasonable
assumption on our part, that

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where the world's
divided into two camps,

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each capable of eliminating
the whole civilization.

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And if we were to
go to another planet

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and observe this condition,
we would certainly

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be a little cautious
about who we talked to,

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or what we revealed.

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Yeah, but you, yourself,
was that the only

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experience you had?

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Mind you, that's 11 years
ago, in 1953, George.

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That's right.

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When you claimed to me you
went up in this elevator,

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into this spaceship,
and met the guy who

00:22:28.090 --> 00:22:30.710 align:middle line:84%
spoke like Ronald Coleman,
was that your only contact

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with the--

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That was the only contact I had
with the people from the ship.

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Have you had any other
contact with people--

00:22:38.460 --> 00:22:43.688 align:middle line:84%
I've had a recent contact
last September, in 1963.

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Well, I don't have to ask you.

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Tell me.

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Well, in this case, they
drove a car into the airport.

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They didn't come in a ship.

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They're walking among us
on the Earth all the time,

00:22:53.500 --> 00:22:55.970 align:middle line:90%
and we don't realize it.

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I'm breathless.

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They.

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How many was they?

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They in the ship was four men.

00:23:02.870 --> 00:23:04.280 align:middle line:90%
They in the car?

00:23:04.280 --> 00:23:07.280 align:middle line:84%
The man that came in-- there
was a man came in by himself

00:23:07.280 --> 00:23:08.315 align:middle line:90%
in September.

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Will you be telling me
he had Martian license

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plates on the car?

00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:15.030 align:middle line:84%
No, he drove a standard
American Cadillac.

00:23:15.030 --> 00:23:18.650 align:middle line:84%
And what did they want with
you in 1963, 10 years later?

00:23:18.650 --> 00:23:20.900 align:middle line:84%
They gave me some
more information

00:23:20.900 --> 00:23:23.760 align:middle line:84%
pertinent to electronic
and magnetic research.

00:23:23.760 --> 00:23:27.320 align:middle line:84%
But how did you know they were
from some mysterious place

00:23:27.320 --> 00:23:28.100 align:middle line:90%
in outer space?

00:23:28.100 --> 00:23:30.040 align:middle line:84%
You don't know unless
they want you to know.

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And then they'll
demonstrate something

00:23:32.300 --> 00:23:33.960 align:middle line:84%
that they can do
that we can't do,

00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:35.990 align:middle line:84%
that's humanly
impossible for us to do.

00:23:35.990 --> 00:23:38.480 align:middle line:84%
What did they demonstrate
to you that convinced you--

00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:43.305 align:middle line:84%
an apparently sober,
sensible, balanced person,

00:23:43.305 --> 00:23:45.500 align:middle line:84%
who nevertheless believes
in flying saucers--

00:23:45.500 --> 00:23:48.480 align:middle line:84%
that convinced you they
were unearthly people.

00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:52.050 align:middle line:84%
Well, they demonstrated the
ability in front of 19 people

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sitting in the
lounge, for instance,

00:23:53.760 --> 00:23:55.440 align:middle line:84%
that they could sit
there and disappear

00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:57.100 align:middle line:90%
before your eyes and reappear.

00:23:57.100 --> 00:23:59.780 align:middle line:84%
In fact, the man did
this three times.

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For you and your friends?

00:24:01.060 --> 00:24:03.768 align:middle line:84%
For 19 witnesses that were
setting in our lounge.

00:24:03.768 --> 00:24:05.060 align:middle line:90%
Vanished in front of your eyes?

00:24:05.060 --> 00:24:06.970 align:middle line:84%
Sat right there in a
chair like you're there,

00:24:06.970 --> 00:24:07.910 align:middle line:90%
and then you're not there.

00:24:07.910 --> 00:24:08.827 align:middle line:90%
And you're back there.

00:24:08.827 --> 00:24:10.594 align:middle line:90%
He did this three times.

00:24:10.594 --> 00:24:11.920 align:middle line:90%
[SNAPS]

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Now, I'm going to disappear.

00:24:14.030 --> 00:24:16.705 align:middle line:84%
But purely for one
minute, for this message.

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The previous foregoing
interview with George Van Tassel

00:24:24.740 --> 00:24:27.350 align:middle line:84%
of Giant Rock
airport, California

00:24:27.350 --> 00:24:30.410 align:middle line:84%
was not, I must stress,
presented to you

00:24:30.410 --> 00:24:36.040 align:middle line:84%
as a scientific examination
of George's claims.

00:24:36.040 --> 00:24:38.170 align:middle line:84%
So many holes in
George's claims,

00:24:38.170 --> 00:24:41.158 align:middle line:84%
even to the layman like myself,
that one is bound to be--

00:24:41.158 --> 00:24:41.950 align:middle line:90%
how shall I put it?

00:24:41.950 --> 00:24:44.110 align:middle line:90%
A trifle cynical.

00:24:44.110 --> 00:24:47.770 align:middle line:84%
For instance, why didn't
George keep one of the men

00:24:47.770 --> 00:24:50.240 align:middle line:84%
with him to produce
as living proof.

00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:52.720 align:middle line:84%
Then we could have checked
medically, his heart,

00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:55.650 align:middle line:84%
and lungs, and everything
else about them,

00:24:55.650 --> 00:24:57.850 align:middle line:84%
to try and substantiate
the claim that he

00:24:57.850 --> 00:25:02.767 align:middle line:90%
was 700 Earth years of age?

00:25:02.767 --> 00:25:04.600 align:middle line:84%
I mean, why didn't they
at least tell George

00:25:04.600 --> 00:25:05.785 align:middle line:90%
where they came from?

00:25:05.785 --> 00:25:07.870 align:middle line:84%
Or why didn't they at
least present George

00:25:07.870 --> 00:25:10.550 align:middle line:84%
with some physical
concrete proof,

00:25:10.550 --> 00:25:12.100 align:middle line:84%
so that people
wouldn't regard him

00:25:12.100 --> 00:25:15.280 align:middle line:84%
with suspicion and skepticism,
as someone who was perhaps

00:25:15.280 --> 00:25:19.240 align:middle line:84%
just a little bit, you know,
overly easily convinced perhaps

00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:21.700 align:middle line:90%
by some form of hallucination.

00:25:21.700 --> 00:25:24.160 align:middle line:84%
But he did tell us one thing--
how to recognize visitors

00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:25.510 align:middle line:90%
from outer space.

00:25:25.510 --> 00:25:28.720 align:middle line:84%
If they ever come to you,
and you're sitting in a room.

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And they snap their fingers
three times and disappear--

00:25:32.050 --> 00:25:37.230 align:middle line:90%


00:25:37.230 --> 00:25:40.440 align:middle line:84%
And when they reappear
a few seconds later,

00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:44.460 align:middle line:84%
then you'll know for sure that
they are from outer space.

00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:47.330 align:middle line:90%
Thank you, and good night.

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