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- It's half past 10:00 at night, and all well-ordered children
- should be in bed.
- So it's safe to talk about flying saucers, and people
- from outer space.
- People who may be circulating among us now,
- and who demonstrate their unearthly qualities,
- if they choose you as one of their agents,
- by disappearing and reappearing at will in your very presence.
- In front, if necessary, of many witnesses.
- And who land on this materialistic earth
- in flying saucers, to which you, if you're one of the chosen,
- shall enter through an anti-gravity elevator.
- Nothing to hold you up.
- You just whisk up into the body of the flying saucer--
- a scout ship from outer space.
- No way.
- I'm not really joking.
- Because I've got a man now--
- here and now-- one of the men who
- claims fervently that he has met these people from outer space,
- has talked to them, and has been given
- secrets of things, such as a time machine,
- from men from outer space.
- You'll meet this man after this plebeian and earthly message.
- The man you're going to meet in a moment of two, George Van
- Tassel from Giant Rock, California.
- He's a most unlikely person to claim
- to have seen flying saucers, and been in touch with people
- from outer space.
- George is a very ordinary fellow.
- He doesn't make any money out of his flying saucer beliefs.
- But boy, he really believes them.
- And before I start talking to George,
- I want to tell you, too, that I do have
- a couple of doubts in my mind.
- We all see these newspaper reports
- from Socorro, New Mexico, that a mysterious craft
- landed, and took off, and left blast marks in the sand.
- Airline pilots from time to time talk
- delicately about strange aircraft
- circling their normal aircraft in flight.
- Perhaps even cutting off the power of their engines
- momentarily.
- We all love to talk about the mysterious, and the unknown,
- and the flying saucers.
- So now it's to George Van Tassel and this question.
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- -- time machine you're building down in California.
- Well, Jack, this was the result of a formula, which
- was given to me by a man who landed a ship at my airport
- in 1953.
- And we put this formula under research.
- Tested a number of experiments on a bench
- in a good electronics lab in Chicago,
- and we produced phenomenal results,
- with evidence that we should do it on a larger scale
- in order to be able to do more with it.
- And this evolved out of something
- that started in 1953, into a four-story high machine,
- that we're working on down here today.
- Now, George, And I don't care whether the machine is
- four stories high, or 40 stories high, or four inches high.
- When I say calmly and unexcitedly, a time machine,
- what does your formula tell you you can do with a time machine?
- Well, Jack, our formula has no time factor, which
- a electronic formula does have.
- And on the other hand, electronic science
- has only had two dimensions to work with--
- the electric pattern, and the magnetic pattern
- perpendicular to it.
- And we discovered a third zone, which we call a time zone.
- And we are working through this zone with an effort
- to orient the magnetic field to give us
- other results, than our science can obtain at present.
- George, it's double-talk to me.
- A time machine means to me a little box
- I can go into, and go back 5,000 years, or forward 10,000 years.
- Is that what your formula tells you you can do?
- Well, Jack, this isn't a little box.
- This is a four story machine, focusing fields
- that we can orient to produce this zone big enough for a man
- to get into.
- It isn't a box--
- But what happens to the man when he gets into the zone?
- I'm all agog with curiosity.
- Well, Jack, we've discovered this zone
- is subject to thought.
- Now, since time doesn't record events the way
- we do on calendars and clocks, you
- could only record an event by thinking of it.
- Now, theoretically, we believe we
- can take the videotape magnetic camera into the time
- zone, and photograph Lincoln's Gettysburg Address,
- or Caesar's armies marching, or anything that's ever happened.
- All right.
- Let me get this straight.
- In other words, you're telling me,
- like H. G. Wells imagined 50 years ago, that everything that
- happened in time is still there to be
- seen by the recreation electronically
- of a thought which exists.
- Jack, you know how you talk into a tape on a tape recorder,
- and play the interruptions back?
- Identical to the play that you made.
- The Earth's magnetic field is the same way.
- You can put interruptions into it,
- and play them back out of it.
- An associate of ours, in creating a magnetic coupler
- with this principle, coupled in the Earth's magnetic field,
- and played back TV shows from stations that aren't even
- in business anymore.
- You mean, that an experiment has been
- done to bring out of the air television programs which
- have been and gone?
- Been and gone.
- Now, where was this experiment conducted?
- It was conducted in Santa Monica by an associate of mine.
- Why hasn't this hit the headlines throughout the world?
- That's a time machine in action.
- Well, Jack, the reason it hasn't hit the world
- is because, as I understand it now,
- the Navy department took him and the research over,
- because he also discovered he could
- bounce magnetic echos off the ionosphere
- and locate submarines under the ocean,
- regardless of where they were.
- Who is this associate of yours?
- This is a fellow named Charlie Artz.
- Charlie Artz?
- Yeah.
- And is he a free man walking around today?
- Well, he's free where he is, in this super secret research
- he's conducting.
- Now, so can you tell me soberly in front of the television
- camera that things--
- old television programs-- have been re-created out of nothing?
- Played back with the picture and the sound just as good
- as the day they were broadcast.
- We've done this many times.
- Why didn't you bring one up with you?
- Well, this requires quite a piece of apparatus.
- This magnetic coupler works on around 50,000 volts,
- and it doesn't have any radio frequency connected with it.
- And actually, the television set which plays back the picture
- doesn't even have an antenna connected to it.
- George, you know as well as I do--
- and you've been on television 330 times, and I've known you,
- I met you once seven years ago, and I kind of like you--
- but you know what the people out there are saying.
- They're saying this man is a nut.
- Well, Jack, you know when Fulton was running his steamboat
- up the Hudson River, there were people still standing
- on the banks saying it couldn't be done.
- All right.
- Let me take you through the backdoor.
- You have a time machine plan.
- You have done experiments which show
- you can bring the past to life.
- Where did this formula come from?
- I love that Scotch accent.
- Jack, the formula came from a ship that landed at my airport
- in 1953, on August the 24th, which
- had four people aboard it.
- It came from another planet.
- I'm breathless.
- Well, you're not only breathless.
- I was breathless.
- But I'm cynical, too.
- Well, that's fine.
- That's the way to be.
- In fact, I'm a bigger skeptic than you are, of many things.
- I'm an unbeliever.
- Convince me that this really happened to you.
- Well, this thing is very similar to a thing that's
- happened in our biblical records,
- where Our Lord presented Moses with a pattern
- to build a tabernacle.
- They came out of the sky, they handed him stone tablets.
- And this phenomena that's taking place today,
- is as old as our history, as our civilization.
- This isn't anything new that's occurring.
- It's something that's being continued
- in another time of crisis, when conditions affecting
- the people of this planet are reaching a point where somebody
- has to take care of the situation.
- Now, I don't intend in any way to be
- disrespectful or blasphemous.
- But do you feel--
- and I know you're not an evangelistic type--
- do you feel that you're some kind
- of Moses receiving a new word?
- Well, I don't say that, Jack.
- I say that what is occurring now, has occurred before.
- There are many records of these ships landing
- throughout history clear back into Sanskrit.
- And there are records in the 1898 Chicago newspapers
- that covered the front page for three days,
- of a big ship setting over Chicago.
- When you realize we're dealing with a type of man that
- is almost as far above us in intelligence
- as we are above the lower animals,
- there isn't anything phenomenal in this at all.
- Now, you say casually-- because this is your life's work now--
- ships.
- Now, you mean flying saucers, don't you?
- Well, a flying saucer was a name the press but on this thing.
- And actually, what they termed a flying saucer
- was nothing but a scout ship from the big carriers.
- Well, I want to go back to that night in 1953.
- Tell me, where did this happen?
- For people who haven't heard you talk or seen you yet.
- It happened on my airport, which I've
- operated for the last 16 years.
- A Giant Rock airport, 17 miles north of Yucca Valley
- in California, and 40 miles north of Palm Springs.
- Now, this is a private airport for a small aircraft, is it?
- This is an airport used both by the military and private
- aircraft.
- You own this airport?
- I leased this airport from the United States government.
- I've operated it for 16 years, since I retired from the flight
- test business in the aviation--
- Right now.
- How old are you now, by the way, George?
- I'm 54, Jack.
- Got three grown daughters, married, and 11 grandchildren.
- You don't mind if I ask you the stock question.
- I know you've been asked every obnoxious question that
- can ever have been asked.
- You've never been treated for any form of emotional upset?
- I've never had an emotional upset, other than women.
- Except that night in Yucca Flats--
- not Yucca Flats, Giant Rock--
- when this ship appeared.
- Now, give me the details, George.
- Because I'm never tired of hearing
- the details of a man who says he has seen creatures
- from another world.
- Well, actually Jack, this was as simple as crossing a street
- and getting hit by a car.
- After it's over, you're the victim of the circumstance.
- And I didn't see the ship land.
- One of my son in-laws--
- that wasn't my son-in-law at that time--
- saw it come down.
- Another man at the airport heard it,
- and he wasn't where he could see it.
- And the man got off of the ship and approached me before I even
- knew there was a ship down.
- Where were you then?
- What time of day or night was it?
- It was 2 o'clock in the morning, and approximately a full moon,
- which is like daylight on the desert.
- Were you walking about outside, or what?
- No, I was sound asleep when he awakened me.
- This man awakened you?
- Well, something awakened me.
- So you get up out of your bed.
- I got out of my bed, and went aboard the ship at his request.
- This man, in what language did he converse with you?
- He talked to me in the best English equivalent
- to Ronald Coleman.
- And he met you there, and he said-- what did he say?
- Come with me to my ship?
- Or what?
- No, he said-- I asked him what he wanted.
- Because we have a lot of people come in
- stuck in the sand, and broken axles, and whatnot.
- And I asked him what he wanted, and he said,
- my name is Solganda, and I would be
- pleased to show you our craft.
- Solganda?
- Solganda.
- Was the craft visible to you at this time?
- It was when he stated this.
- I saw beyond him the ship, which I hadn't seen before.
- What did you see?
- A bell-shaped type of anti-gravity
- ship that they operate as a scout ship out
- of the big carriers.
- How big?
- This was 36 feet in diameter, and 19 feet high.
- And where was it?
- On the ground?
- No, it was hovering 10 feet off the ground.
- And how did you go into this ship?
- I walked with him to a spot underneath it,
- and an anti-gravity beam took me up
- through a hole in the bottom of it.
- You're telling me that 2 o'clock in the morning,
- at Giant Rock airport, you walked
- underneath this hovering ship, and whamo!
- You up inside.
- No, you didn't go whamo.
- You went just about as slow as a local elevator run.
- And when you got off the anti-gravity elevator,
- what did it look like?
- I was inside of a ship about 18 feet in diameter,
- and roughly 10 feet high to the domed ceiling.
- And there were three men on the ship besides the one that had
- got off and invited me aboard.
- You keep calling the men.
- What do you mean man?
- Well--
- Little green men?
- They were about 5 foot 6.
- They came about to my eyebrows, and they
- could have walked in our clothes down any of our streets,
- and we wouldn't have paid any attention to them.
- And did you bring any proof off that ship?
- Were you alone on the ship?
- I was alone with the three men until the other fellow came up
- behind me, and then the four of them were aboard.
- Were there any other earthly eyewitnesses to this?
- Nothing on the outside of the ship.
- And these people stayed outside?
- On the airport.
- And did you go anywhere in this ship?
- Not to my knowledge.
- When I got off, it was the same place
- that it was when I got on.
- What do you mean, not to your knowledge?
- Had the door closed when you went in, or something?
- I don't know, because it was below the deck.
- And did these people tell you where they came from?
- They didn't say where they came from.
- But I've been in the air game since 1927,
- and their instruments were unlike anything
- I'd ever seen before.
- Well, don't give me technicalities.
- What was different?
- The difference was that we use dial instruments,
- and they used vertical instruments
- like fluorescent tubes with marks on them.
- What color were these people?
- And the instruments were marked in symbols
- similar to hieroglyphics.
- They were not in any language or number
- system we use on the Earth.
- What color were these people?
- They looked like they were white people with a good healthy tan.
- Did they give you any indication of how old they were,
- or what they ate, or where they came from, at all?
- After we got off the ship, the man who invited me aboard--
- who didn't look a day over 28 years of age--
- told me that he was over 700 years of age in our time.
- Oh, come off it, George.
- That's right.
- Was this the guy who gave you the formula for the time
- machine?
- That's the man.
- And what form did the formula take?
- Did he implant it in your mind by telepathy?
- Or did he give you something written in English?
- He spoke it to me verbally.
- And you remembered this?
- There's nothing to it to remember.
- Will you tell me now?
- Yes.
- The formula for a time machine.
- F equals 1 over t.
- F equals 1 over t.
- F being frequency, and t being time.
- This enables me to do to go back to the time of Caesar's armies
- conquering Briton?
- Well, it would enable a mathematician to work this out,
- yes.
- And why hasn't this been acclaimed like Einstein
- E equals mc squared?
- Well, why hasn't the fact that the United States
- government's been flying anti-gravity ships since 1956
- been acclaimed?
- Or the fact that there's a crater
- on the moon with a base in it?
- Since 1954 we've known this.
- Let's get, first of all, the US--
- Why haven't the FBI clapped you incommunicado
- for breaking secrets that they want to keep secret
- in the United States?
- Well, possibly because they know this information is going
- to get out eventually anyway, and what I say
- won't make any difference.
- Now, that particular night when you had this experience,
- did you call the police?
- Did you call the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, the White House?
- Well I'm 17 miles from the nearest phone, Jack.
- And the nearest phone would get me to the Sheriff's office.
- And it'd take them about 40 minutes to get out there.
- Well, wouldn't you have a phone in an airport?
- No, we have no phone.
- But you're an operating airport.
- Well, we're an operating airport,
- but we're isolated in the middle of desert,
- 17 miles from the closest town.
- And they've never run phones out there.
- So how do you communicate with people
- who want to use that airport?
- They fly in, or write, and phone to the local town
- where my daughter lives, and she notifies us when she comes out.
- Now, you talk about a crater on the moon.
- Now, I thought all the moon stuff had been debunked,
- and nobody ever really knows what goes on on the moon.
- What's this?
- Well this is the Gassendi crater.
- This is 55 miles long, and oval shaped.
- It's in the Mare Humorum sea, or on the edge of it.
- Since 35 years ago, they've wondered
- why this particular crater had these lines in it.
- And with a magnification, which you
- can get with a larger telescope, this is what they found.
- These lines are tubes laying on the surface of this crater,
- and running under some of the mountain ridges.
- There are three large dome-shaped structures in here.
- These tubes run clear outside of the crater.
- And we know there are tubes laying on the surface,
- because the sun is shining from this angle,
- and this mountain peak causes a shadow.
- What does it all mean?
- Does that mean that this is a rocket-launching, or a flying
- saucer base on the moon.
- This has been a base on the moon for perhaps many thousands
- of years, used by these people in the space ships
- to resupply their ships, or whatever is required.
- Not even Life magazine has accepted this as genuine,
- or has it?
- Well, the Palomar Observatory people that took the picture,
- won't even comment on it.
- So--
- There must be a great conspiracy of silence
- to keep George Van Tassel secret of the universe away
- from the people.
- No, it isn't to keep anything I know away from the people.
- It's to keep many things away from the people.
- Let's talk about this picture.
- This is the time machine.
- This is a picture of the machine we're building down there.
- This structure is actually up.
- We're working now on the parts, on the equipment
- that operate it.
- This rim around here has armatures 57 feet in diameter,
- which will be better than four times bigger than the biggest
- armatures ever made before.
- Is that a place where you did the experiments--
- by the way, how old were these television programs
- you pulled back out of time and space?
- Well, the oldest one was six years back,
- because television was six years old when this was done.
- And what program was it?
- Do you remember?
- I don't remember what program, but I know that
- on checking up on some of the stations
- that Art found that the station no longer existed.
- It was out of business.
- Let's get down to some more basics now, [INAUDIBLE]..
- Are you making a lucrative living
- out of traveling around the continent,
- evangelizing for flying saucers?
- No, Jack.
- I'm on a vacation to rest my wife,
- because she's been two years in a 40-seat restaurant
- without a rest, more than anything else.
- And I enjoy these particular things as a sideline.
- I make my living on the airport.
- And this research is something that I've
- got more money into than anybody else,
- and more contribution to it.
- Five years of intensive research without any pay.
- We donated 10 acres of land with a well worth $23,000,
- and we formed this corporation for the purpose
- of building up, and investigating
- this basic material.
- All right.
- Now, how long is it going to take you to get your time
- machine in operation.
- Well--
- I mean, it all sounds so crazy, you must admit.
- I believe there are some odd things, George.
- But I find it hard to credit because I wasn't there myself,
- your own experiences.
- Well, it took them around eight years
- to grind the mirror of the 200-inch telescope.
- And the first cyclotron with something
- like 11 years in the progress of building.
- Well, that cost millions, George.
- You haven't got millions.
- Billions it costs.
- No.
- We don't have the overhead, the drafts from the engineers,
- and people sitting around on payroll.
- All of our effort on this is voluntary by many people
- in technical fields that contribute
- their effort to the project.
- They all believe in flying saucers?
- They all believe in flying saucers.
- You obviously believe totally in flying saucers.
- Yeah.
- Because of that--
- Does your wife believe in flying saucers?
- Well, I don't know very many people that don't.
- It's as obvious as believing in heaven, or afterlife,
- or anything else.
- You have certain things you believe in life.
- You believe there's air we breathe, yet you don't see it.
- We fly airplanes on it.
- And this is an intangible.
- We can measure it.
- But why should these people come down--
- these-- from outer space--
- why don't they land in the White House, or in Kremlin square
- in Moscow, and say, hey, listen to us?
- We can tell you a few things.
- We're 700 years old.
- We can travel through space.
- We're not concerned with time differentials.
- Well, probably they're not concerned
- with giving us too much of their information,
- because we'd only use it in our battle
- to destroy each other here.
- Did these four men tell you that themselves?
- No, they didn't tell me that.
- But this is a reasonable assumption on our part, that
- where the world's divided into two camps,
- each capable of eliminating the whole civilization.
- And if we were to go to another planet
- and observe this condition, we would certainly
- be a little cautious about who we talked to,
- or what we revealed.
- Yeah, but you, yourself, was that the only
- experience you had?
- Mind you, that's 11 years ago, in 1953, George.
- That's right.
- When you claimed to me you went up in this elevator,
- into this spaceship, and met the guy who
- spoke like Ronald Coleman, was that your only contact
- with the--
- That was the only contact I had with the people from the ship.
- Have you had any other contact with people--
- I've had a recent contact last September, in 1963.
- Well, I don't have to ask you.
- Tell me.
- Well, in this case, they drove a car into the airport.
- They didn't come in a ship.
- They're walking among us on the Earth all the time,
- and we don't realize it.
- I'm breathless.
- They.
- How many was they?
- They in the ship was four men.
- They in the car?
- The man that came in-- there was a man came in by himself
- in September.
- Will you be telling me he had Martian license
- plates on the car?
- No, he drove a standard American Cadillac.
- And what did they want with you in 1963, 10 years later?
- They gave me some more information
- pertinent to electronic and magnetic research.
- But how did you know they were from some mysterious place
- in outer space?
- You don't know unless they want you to know.
- And then they'll demonstrate something
- that they can do that we can't do,
- that's humanly impossible for us to do.
- What did they demonstrate to you that convinced you--
- an apparently sober, sensible, balanced person,
- who nevertheless believes in flying saucers--
- that convinced you they were unearthly people.
- Well, they demonstrated the ability in front of 19 people
- sitting in the lounge, for instance,
- that they could sit there and disappear
- before your eyes and reappear.
- In fact, the man did this three times.
- For you and your friends?
- For 19 witnesses that were setting in our lounge.
- Vanished in front of your eyes?
- Sat right there in a chair like you're there,
- and then you're not there.
- And you're back there.
- He did this three times.
- [SNAPS]
- Now, I'm going to disappear.
- But purely for one minute, for this message.
- The previous foregoing interview with George Van Tassel
- of Giant Rock airport, California
- was not, I must stress, presented to you
- as a scientific examination of George's claims.
- So many holes in George's claims,
- even to the layman like myself, that one is bound to be--
- how shall I put it?
- A trifle cynical.
- For instance, why didn't George keep one of the men
- with him to produce as living proof.
- Then we could have checked medically, his heart,
- and lungs, and everything else about them,
- to try and substantiate the claim that he
- was 700 Earth years of age?
- I mean, why didn't they at least tell George
- where they came from?
- Or why didn't they at least present George
- with some physical concrete proof,
- so that people wouldn't regard him
- with suspicion and skepticism, as someone who was perhaps
- just a little bit, you know, overly easily convinced perhaps
- by some form of hallucination.
- But he did tell us one thing-- how to recognize visitors
- from outer space.
- If they ever come to you, and you're sitting in a room.
- And they snap their fingers three times and disappear--
- And when they reappear a few seconds later,
- then you'll know for sure that they are from outer space.
- Thank you, and good night.