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I'm a capitalist.

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This is not socialism.

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If those people that want
to buy this property,

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let them come around
with their checkbook.

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And let them buy it
for recreational area.

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They have no right to
tell me what to do,

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and I'll fight this state,
the federal government,

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or anybody else.

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I want to preface my remarks
by saying that this is strictly

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my opinion.

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But after meeting with
the gentleman in New York,

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and in Texas, and so forth,
it is my personal opinion

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that if we do not get the
plant on Guemes Island,

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it will not go in the
state of Washington.

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It's the position
of this committee

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that the San Juan Islands are
no place for heavy industry.

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Well, I believe it'll be
good for the whole area--

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the county, and
Guemes, and Anacortes--

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our young people, everybody.

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I think it's really the
first time in our life

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we'll be a real asset
to the Skagit County.

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What about the
objections that you're

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going to deprive the
island of its scenery

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and make it tough on
beach home residents

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and other permanent residents?

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I think actually these people
are worried about something

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that doesn't exist.

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I doubt if our
permanent population

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will increase very many.

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I think most of the
workers will live in town.

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And I see no reason
why an aluminum

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plant will interfere,
essentially,

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with beach property.

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Because it's privately owned
and privately controlled,

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and although we'll have
more traffic on our roads,

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I don't think it'll affect
the beach property at all.

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Or very little, at least.

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There's been some
sentiment expressed

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about possible fallout
from this plant.

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Well, according
to my information,

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it's a process developed by
the University of Washington

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and has practically--

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well, over 95% recovery
and a scrubbing process,

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so we're assured there
won't be any pollution--

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very, very little.

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There hasn't been in
Intalco, for instance.

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It's been very clean.

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I think they are so sick
of people where they live,

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that they come up here.

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They don't want
to see any people.

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That's my opinion.

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I don't know.

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I like people.

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I like children.

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I like kids.

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That's why I'm a teacher.

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And I think these people are
just sick and tired of people.

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And that's why they want the
aluminum plant to stay away,

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because they think that if
an aluminum plant comes in,

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there are people that'll come.

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And they'll-- their little
private bit of heaven will be

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destroyed.

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That's my opinion.

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Won't that be true, to some
extent, if the plant comes?

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Well, it's true.

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But in this life, you
pay for what you get.

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And if you don't
want it, of course,

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you don't want to pay for it.

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But I think we'll get far
more with a plant coming

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than we'll lose by it's coming.

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I think it'll be a real asset
to this country in this area.

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What about this
"Save the San Juans?"

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Do you subscribe to the theory
that Guemes is not a San Juan

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Island?

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Well, it never has been until
the committee was formed.

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But I don't think it matters.

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The San Juans are
known nationally.

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Guemes was never heard of,
until the Northwest aluminum

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plant decided to come here.

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And they couldn't
fight "Save Guemes"

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because nobody gives
a hoot about Guemes.

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They want to save their own
private little bailiwick--

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the little piece of ground
that they sit on, I think.

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What are your people
doing-- the people

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who are promoting
bringing the plant here?

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Trying to get the
truth to the people

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of what this thing actually is.

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They came out and
said it was 102 to 2.

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Well, that's not true.

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It just wasn't.

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And most of the registered
voters on this island

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are in favor of the plant.

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And there's quite a
few that are neutral.

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And a very few-- it's
a minority that's

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against it, in my opinion.

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What would you like
to see the community--

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the residents of Guemes Island--

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do now?

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I'd like to see
them work together.

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And I'd like to see us put
part of this as industrial,

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as it could or
should be, and then

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to actually zone the residential
and the recreational area.

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And then all of us work
together to keep it that way,

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so that a person
was safe and knowing

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the industry wouldn't encroach
upon his land in later years.

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We looked a long
time for some place

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where we could be not too
far from the big city,

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and yet be removed
from the city.

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We, in fact-- we covered
Camano and Whidbey

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and many other places, but
getting off on an island

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like this was an opportunity
to get away from things.

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That was really the
reason for coming here.

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So I don't know.

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It just breaks into
things that way.

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We like the idea that the
people of Guemes Island

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are able to roll up the
carpet at six o'clock at night

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when the last ferry leaves.

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And we're not desirous of
any additional ferries.

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What about the water situation?

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The people in Anacortes who
are promoting this plant

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say they'll solve
your water problems.

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Well, yeah, you're not going
to get anything for free.

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I don't think that
anybody ever did.

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We had a couple of shallow
wells here at the time,

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and they didn't give
us adequate water.

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So we drilled, and we
now have all the water

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we could ever want.

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So that's a problem
you can solve yourself.

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They bring you water.

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It's going to be just like
the improvements in the city.

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You're going to pay for them.

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Pay for them, and you
think, maybe, a little more?

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Oh, quite a little bit
more from my experience

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in these big
developments of Metro

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in the city and
things of that kind.

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We like to stay kind of
countrified and out away

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from it all.

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Mrs. Bush, what's been
your feeling about this

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since it began?

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Well, I feel that this
transcends all personalities--

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all anything of that nature.

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It's much more
important to preserve

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the island for posterity,
the future generations,

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and some place for
people to come and relax,

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which is necessary in this day
and age with all the hustle

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and bustle and high
pressure that men are under.

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And it's relaxing to
come to a quiet spot.

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We love it.

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You'd like to keep it this way.

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I would love to
keep it this way.

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Would you mind if they put the
plant on some other San Juan

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Island?

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No.

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No.

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1,000 times, no.

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Just keep them pure.

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That's my feeling.

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Alan, from a young
man's standpoint.

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You're engaged in-- with your
father here-- on ranching.

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What do you feel
about the plant?

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Well, naturally, I'm not
in favor of the plant here.

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I came here to--

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interested in raising cattle and
living in a quiet atmosphere.

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And this is what I intend to do.

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I'm not for this
aluminum company at all,

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or for any kind of
industry on this island.

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There are plenty
of places elsewhere

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for something such as this.

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Mr. Mackey is an
Anacortes banker,

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chairman of the Chamber's
industrial committee here.

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You're familiar with the
company Northwest Aluminum?

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Yes, I am.

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There have been a
lot of questions.

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What is Northwest Aluminum?

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Well, it's a new corporation
that has been organized.

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I understand that they filed
for their corporate papers

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in the state of Delaware.

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It's basically composed of Texas
Aluminum, Bell Intercontinental

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Corporation and Yawata
Steel, a Japanese company.

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There have been comments
that this is entirely

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a paper organization.

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This is a paper
company, and it's

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going to live on
credit to get started.

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You're a banker.

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What about that?

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We were assured in our visits
to Texas, and then to New York,

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and with Bell Intercontinental
and Texas Aluminum

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and so forth, that
this is not the case.

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We didn't go into great detail
as to the setup of the thing.

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However, we were well assured
that certainly it was not just

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a paper corporation, that
there will be heavy capital

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investment by the individuals.

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You've talked to some of the
principals in the Northwest

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Aluminum.

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What assurances have been
made, as far as technology

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and the prevention
of air pollution

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and the construction
of a pleasing sight?

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Well, we visited the
Texas aluminum plant.

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It is well buffered.

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The total acreage is utilized,
probably at least half

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of it for buffer zones
around the plant.

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So with this in mind-- that
this is the type of operation

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they run-- we are
well assured that they

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will run the same type
of operation over here.

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As to pollution, we
are assured that this

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will be the most modern,
most pollution-free plant

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that it is possible to
establish and create today.

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One of the subsidiary
firms of Texas Aluminum

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is, in fact, engaged in
manufacturing of certain air

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pollution preventatives.

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Well, I believe
it's a subsidiary

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firm, or a wholly owned
subsidiary of Equity

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Corporation, who is the
parent corporation of Bell

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Intercontinental.

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And this subsidiary firm is in
the business of manufacturing

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pollution control equipment.

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They are renowned in their
field and have developed

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and researched to
the point that it

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will be the most modern
facility available.

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Well, the Port of
Anacortes, of course,

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was originally
contacted by the company

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to help seek a site with
the proper specifications--

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deep water requirements.

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They were also interested
in our existing facilities,

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that they might be
able to utilize those.

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So you have been working with
the company for several months

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now.

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Approximately 10 months ago
was the initial contact.

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Are there no other--
this question

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has been asked several times--
are there no other deep water

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sites in the immediate
vicinity that would have all

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the other attributes necessary?

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There are no other deep water
sites in the Anacortes area

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that would provide the
approximately 750 acres

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of reasonably flat
land adjoining

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60 foot of draft and
a protected harbor.

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We are opposed to this location
of a plant on Guemes Island,

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for the simple reason that we
think that the San Juans is

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no place for heavy industry.

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The island that I speak
of, Guemes Island,

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is one on which I have a summer
cabin, and like many people,

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enjoy the peaceful and
quiet atmosphere there.

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To suggest that it would be
converted to heavy industry

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was the remotest
thing that anyone

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could have thought of earlier.

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However, it has been suggested.

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And it has been suggested
that, for example, the zoning

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of Guemes Island, which is
now entirely residential,

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would have to be changed
to heavy industry-- a most

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radical change.

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We feel that the
changes of this kind

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could affect the rest of the San
Juans, which, like Guemes, have

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deep water access and
are reasonably closely

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related to the mainland.

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And some of them have
a considerable amount

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of flat area.

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We feel that it would
be a grave mistake

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to convert one, or any,
of the San Juan Islands

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to uses for which they were--

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as far as one can tell--

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naturally endowed by
nature and namely,

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for recreational purposes.

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Now, it's a curious
combination of circumstances

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that's led to this.

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It seems to me when there are
alternative sites available,

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we don't stand in
the way, or we don't

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wish to stand in the
way, of Anacortes'

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development or Skagit County's
development or the development

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of the whole state.

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But when one takes a look at the
Atlas of Major Industrial Plant

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Sites, which has been published
by the Bonneville Power

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Administration, for
example, one can

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find quite a variety of
sites with deep water access,

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with large acreage, and
many of them, of course,

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already zoned industrial.

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For example, one might
turn to Skagit County

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and find that the
first site listed is

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located within Anacortes.

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It's a 500-acre site.

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It's level.

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It's already zoned
for heavy industry.

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Now, the suggestion is to
use Guemes Island to convert

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residential property--
recreation propery--

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to heavy industry.

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Here is already a
deep water access,

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heavy industry zoned property.

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It's only by chance, apparently,
that the Anacortes paper

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published just this past
week the comprehensive zoning

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plan for the city,
which names that site

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as a heavy industrial site.

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Further by curious coincidence,
about two weeks or so ago,

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the Anacortes city
council voted to adopt

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a resolution establishing an
open space program for the city

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and for the acquisition
of certain park areas.

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One of these was listed
as Ship Harbor Shannon

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Point, which is the same area
that I've just mentioned.

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Moreover, the city council
voted to request federal funds

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to assist in the acquisition.

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So here you would have
the curious situation

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of residential land being
converted to heavy industry,

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heavy industrial land
converted to park,

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and the federal government
requested to finance

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both of these reversals.

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We asked, does it make sense?

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Mr. Nelson, you're
a past president

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of the Association of Washington
Industries, a retired treasurer

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of the Boeing company
after 37 years,

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which makes you sort
of pro-industry.

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Yet you're involved
here in the fight

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to keep an industry
off Guemes Island.

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How do you reconcile the two?

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Well, it's easy for
me to reconcile this.

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As you said, I have
spent a lot of time

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over the years trying to attract
new industry to the state,

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and been fairly successful,
both as a member

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of the Board of Governors
or Directors of Seattle

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Chamber of Commerce and the
Association of Washington

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Industries.

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But what of the islanders
who have let options

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be taken on their property?

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This indicates that, at least
some people on Guemes Island

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are not opposed.

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Certainly those people
that option their property

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are real anxious that this
plant come to the island

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so the options can be exercised.

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It happens to be a
very small group,

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and we don't deny
them their right

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to sell their property to
anyone that they see fit.

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But we do think
that we have a right

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to protect our
island from industry,

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when we think this is a
recreational and retirement

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area.

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What kind of reaction have you
had from state government--

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from the governor's office?

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Really, no reaction
except the governor

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knows that there
is a real problem

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and I'm sure he's giving it
all kinds of consideration.

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We are urging him to take
a stand on this thing,

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because we think that the
industry itself will recognize

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that a line has to
be drawn somewhere

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where industry should go.

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And certainly, the San Juans
is an ideal line to draw.

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Has Design for Washington
taken any steps

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to try to do anything here?

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We asked, originally, for help
from Design for Washington

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as one of the agencies that
might help us with our problem.

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And they have
indicated that they

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would like to have a conference
of the interested parties.

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But as far as I know,
nothing has come of it.

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And I gather in reading
the local weekly paper

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that certainly the people
in Anacortes, of course,

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are not interested in a Design
for Washington discussion.

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Well, in my
particular opinion, I

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would feel that discussion
is good in many cases.

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I feel that this issue--

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on the other side at least--
is so ridden with emotion,

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that I don't feel
that discussion

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at this time in a
forum-type thing

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as proposed by Design
for Washington Inc.

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would be advantageous to us.

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We are ready and willing,
and always have been,

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to work with any group towards
the orderly industrial growth,

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as well as other growth
of the entire area.

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We still have the same feeling.

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But you can't work with
groups when everybody

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is aroused emotionally.

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I feel that we have
everything to lose and nothing

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to gain at the moment by
going into this type of forum.

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At a later date, when things
are quieted down to the point

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that everybody can
talk rationally,

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I think it may be well
worthwhile at that time

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if it's necessary then.

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