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KVOS Special: Western's Fourth R.

  • One of the things that we found in working with the American
  • Indians and the Mexican-Americans
  • and the other youngsters, was that ethnic group
  • seems not to be a determining factor-- that they
  • emerged as individuals.
  • And the success of the program, in reference
  • to the progress that the youngsters have made,
  • is much more in relationship to the strength
  • of the individual child rather than the ethnic group.
  • I think, further, that we are gaining a lot of insight
  • into the feelings and reactions of these youngsters.
  • The reports that they were able to give to us,
  • in reference to how they feel about school
  • and how they feel about some of the experiences
  • that they have had, differ rather remarkably
  • from the school's attitudes toward the way
  • in which these youngsters behave in the usual classroom
  • situation.
  • It's our hope then, that as we work
  • with the public schools in the two county area,
  • we will have some real information-- information that
  • will be useful to the average teacher in helping
  • these youngsters.
  • You mentioned an American Indian component.
  • How many American Indians?
  • What is the percentage of American Indians
  • in the project?
  • We had 50 participants, and of the 50,
  • 26 were American Indians.
  • Now, here again, when you have a charming little--
  • or rather rotund boy, as a matter of fact,
  • with bright red hair, and another short, stubby baseball
  • player with blond hair, both of whom are Indians,
  • we are using the term in a rather general fashion.
  • What's the size of the Rockefeller grant?
  • We have $100,000 for a two-year program.
  • Our program differs again from [INAUDIBLE]
  • in that the youngsters just have one opportunity.
  • Those youngsters who were involved here at Western
  • last summer are being followed with a control group
  • but will not return to the campus.
  • We're in the process now of soliciting nominations
  • for 50 additional participants who
  • will take part in the program this coming summer.
  • The holder of a Title III grant under the Higher Education
  • Act of 1965, Dr. Larry Douglas, is
  • carrying on a rather different sort of investigation
  • with the disadvantaged.
  • Tell us about it, Larry.
  • Well, the project is designed to find out
  • what has been the effect in the Seattle public school system,
  • especially in the central area of the program.
  • The compensatory education program
  • is designed for treating the disadvantaged pupils
  • in the public schools themselves.
  • For the last two years, we've had teachers here
  • and instituted teachers for the disadvantaged
  • with whom we work.
  • And they've presumably learned certain techniques.
  • And this is designed to find out what
  • they have done, what has happened because of what
  • they've done, if anything, more or less also,
  • to find out certain basic statistical information-- how
  • many pupils there are that can be so classed, how
  • many teachers there are, what the programs involve,
  • how much information is being fed out
  • to the community, especially the parents, and so on.
  • And to examine whether, effects such as reduction
  • of dropout rate, and so on, can be ascertained from it.
  • VICOED means visual communication education.
  • And we're trying to prepare people
  • for industry, or for the public schools as teachers--
  • and the community colleges.
  • So they will have a much broader background
  • than the traditional graphic arts program.
  • These new programs in VICOED will include such things
  • as the design of communications, visual presentations,
  • printed media, and the big information and storage
  • retrieval systems.
  • You also have considerable support
  • from industry, as well as that $490,000 Ford Foundation grant,
  • do you not?
  • Yes, we have approximately $317,000
  • as of January the first this year.
  • From all industrial sources.
  • From all industrial sources.
  • Now, this includes a work study program
  • from the Boeing company.
  • Yes.
  • All told then, you are now the boss of about 3/4 million
  • dollar operation.
  • That's right.
  • Then including this-- in addition to this, really--
  • the schools have been putting in about $350,000, also.
  • Now, you say the schools?
  • The college and the pilot schools,
  • in the form of equipment, supplies, materials,
  • release time for teachers traveling, and so on.
  • How many schools are tied in a satellite to the program,
  • right?
  • There are four high schools in Vancouver, BC,
  • which makes it really an international project.
  • There's one high school in Bellingham.
  • There are four in Tucson, Arizona.
  • One in Kailua, Hawaii.
  • There's a junior college in Seattle,
  • and the Milwaukee Institute of Technology.
  • This grew out of a philosophic position
  • that I published in '62, and it's
  • based on the following statement.
  • The question one asks, and the frame of reference
  • in which one asks it, determines the kind of data
  • that one looks for and the answer one gets.
  • The answers can be divided into several different kinds
  • of problems.
  • I have called these specific problems, for example.
  • An example of that would be, how many swings
  • will this pendulum bob make in 10 seconds?
  • The answer to this question is a singular one
  • and can be answered by the first, second, third, fourth,
  • fifth, and sixth grade students with whom we are working.
  • A second kind of question deals with a comparative.
  • It compares two answers.
  • For example, how many swings will the pendulum
  • make in 10 seconds without the presence of a magnet,
  • and with the presence of a magnet?
  • This, too, is easily answered by the children.
  • There is a single event that they would have
  • to do to answer the question.
  • These are the easiest ones.
  • The third kind of question is one
  • that one would call experimental.
  • This involves doing more than one thing to find the answer.
  • For example, one could say, how does the number of oscillations
  • of the pendulum bob vary with the distance the magnet is
  • from the pendulum?
  • Now one would have to use several different distances
  • to see that as the distance of the magnet
  • decreases the effect upon the pendulum bob
  • will also decrease.
  • This would then be called a qualitative experimental
  • question.
  • The quantitative experimental question
  • would be a quantification, or getting an equation,
  • for the data that one would collect.
  • We are in the business here of studying
  • the structure and the properties of atomic nuclei.
  • As you know, atomic nuclei consist
  • of neutrons and protons.
  • The problem is to decipher the motions that
  • go on within the atomic nucleus based
  • upon this knowledge of its structure.
  • To do this, we need fairly high energy particles.
  • We used in this laboratory neutrons
  • to bombard atomic nuclei and investigate their structure.
  • We produce these neutrons with this hardware
  • that you will see in the lab.
  • The neutrons are produced by the collision of hydrogen isotopes.
  • We use heavy hydrogen isotopes, known as deuterium and tritium.
  • We bombard deuterium into tritium
  • with an approximate energy of 200,000 volts.
  • And this, amazingly, produces--
  • in a fusion reaction--
  • about 15 million volt neutrons.
  • These neutrons have enough energy
  • to enable the investigator to blast apart atomic nuclei
  • and to investigate their structure.
  • I'm sitting at the console, which
  • controls the device behind about 270 tons of concrete shielding
  • designed to protect the investigators
  • and surrounding people from the hazards of radiation.
  • We have a number of instruments, which
  • we use for counting particles that emerge from neutron
  • bombardments of light nuclei.
  • These instruments consists of scalers
  • and amplifiers and computers.
  • Our main instrument is a very simple accelerator,
  • which is just to produce the neutrons alone.
  • The neutrons are then used to investigate
  • the various structures of light nuclei.
  • One problem which we are interested in
  • is the problem of the very lightest nuclei.
  • It turns out that there are no pure atomic nuclei consisting
  • of only protons or only neutrons.
  • We have, hopefully, some preliminary data
  • which indicates that there is a pure atomic nucleus.
  • We call it the tri-neutron.
  • Well, you're amending your previous statement, then.
  • You may have found a new nucleus, right?
  • We may have found a new nucleus.
  • The preliminary data, of course, will
  • be submitted to periodicals and a criticism of the rest
  • of the scientific world.
  • Clearly no one of the researchers extant at Western
  • Washington State College can be regarded as typical,
  • but in many ways, Dr. June Ross epitomizes the new breed.
  • First of all, she is from Australia--
  • Ph.D from the University of Sydney,
  • postgraduate training and research at Yale,
  • subsequently at other universities--
  • and finally has settled down here at Western
  • with her husband, Dr. Charles Ross.
  • Dr. Charles Ross is engaged in geological research.
  • Dr. June Ross in paleobiology.
  • This makes her one of the new breed,
  • as well, since we did not have such disciplines present--
  • or such research present at Western
  • until a couple of years ago.
  • Then, too, Dr. June Ross epitomizes the new researchers
  • at Western, in that most of her salary and most of her time
  • is devoted to pure research--
  • and from funds drawn from private agencies
  • and from federal foundations.
  • Finally, you will observe that Dr. June
  • Ross is possessed propitiously of two X chromosomes.
  • Again, a peculiarity a few years ago at Western.
  • But many of our outstanding researchers now are female.
  • June, what's that spongy material
  • that you're dealing with there?
  • Oh, this coral-like material.
  • This is a colony--
  • a calcareous colony of an ectoproct.
  • Generally, they look very close to a coral,
  • and therefore, we generally think of them more as corals.
  • This one is quite familiar to the many people in the Puget
  • Sound area.
  • And these finger-like dendritic growths
  • occur below the low tide level, going down
  • in the subtidal region.
  • The calcareous material secreted by these various organisms--
  • primarily marine organisms-- takes many different forms.
  • And I have been concerned primarily
  • with the different calcification structures that are present
  • in the variety of forms, covering
  • over about 4,000 species.
  • Where did you get these samples of the 4,000 species from,
  • June?
  • These come from many places.
  • Some of them are fossil material from the United States,
  • coming from New York State across the central states.
  • And as I have mentioned, these come from the Puget Sound,
  • San Juan Islands.
  • Some of this material here is off the South
  • Australian continental shelf.
  • And other material I have seen from the Himalayas
  • and various places in Europe.
  • And in many of these areas have you, yourself,
  • done the fieldwork?
  • The fieldwork?
  • All of it in the United States and some
  • of the material from Australia I have done the fieldwork on.
  • And the Himalayan material was reference material
  • from the Dutch and the Austrian expeditions to the Himalayans
  • about two, three years ago.
  • This is Dr. Carol Diers of the psychology department,
  • and Dr. Diers is responsible for publications
  • in the field of personality research.
  • Could you tell us something about it, Dr. Diers?
  • Yes.
  • One of our concerns was what it is
  • that determines an individual's response to personality test
  • items.
  • We discovered that one of these determinants
  • is the tendency to answer in a socially desirable manner.
  • What that is-- when items portray
  • socially desirable characteristics in the society,
  • then by far the majority of people
  • tend to attribute these characteristics to themselves.
  • I see.
  • You're also responsible for bringing
  • some rather unusual animals to Western, are you not?
  • Yes, a few years ago we purchased some armadillos
  • from Comfort, Texas.
  • Had them shipped up here by air.
  • And we're interested in them for research purposes.
  • Could you tell us what's special about armadillos?
  • Why you needed them?
  • Yes, and they're a very unusual animal in that they always give
  • birth to four identical young.
  • That is, usually four.
  • And they are--
  • Quadruplets.
  • Right.
  • And they are born from the same fertilized
  • egg, so they are identical.
  • And why is this important to you?
  • We had hoped, in using these animals,
  • to be able to control the heredity
  • variable in our experiments.
  • What we had intended to do, was to have the young separated
  • from the mother at birth as soon as possible, then
  • place the young in different environments and later,
  • observe what the results of this would be.
  • We would have heredity controlled ideally,
  • because they are identical.
  • We can therefore use a very small number of animals
  • and perhaps come up with some rather radical differences.
  • How did this turn out?
  • Unfortunately, we never ran the experiment.
  • The baby armadillos did not survive very well.
  • First of all, the mother, when giving birth to the armadillos,
  • had a tendency to kill them and eat them
  • within a few hours following birth.
  • This was very disastrous for our experimental intentions.
  • Of course.
  • We did manage to get one litter away from the mother,
  • and we attempted to rear them--
  • feeding them artificially.
  • However, it seems that the humidity in this area
  • is unfavorable.
  • And they contracted pneumonia.
  • They're used to a very dry climate.
  • Is that right?
  • Yes, fairly dry.
  • Practically all departments at Western
  • are involved in research in one way or another.
  • We're now in the geography department with Dr. Mookherjee.
  • Could you tell us about your workplace?
  • Yes.
  • I've been engaged in a couple of research projects in India.
  • And in one such project, I'm now making some correlation
  • analysis between the rate of food production and population
  • growth in various parts of the country
  • to identify the deficit areas.
  • Then I intend to make some analyses
  • of the patterns of planning that have been done,
  • or that is being done, in these areas
  • to overcome this shortage.
  • With these analyses, I hope to be
  • able to make up some interpretations at what
  • can be done in these areas to overcome the deficit.
  • In another project, I'm working on some cities around Calcutta,
  • making some socioeconomic analyses.
  • I'm taking such variables as economic-based educational
  • facilities and employment opportunities in these cities--
  • the size of 25,000 to 100,000--
  • to see whether or not these cities
  • will be able to absorb Calcutta's growing
  • population in future.
  • This is Dr. Joseph Hashisaki, chairman
  • of Western's math department.
  • The math department at Western has
  • been preeminently successful in getting grants,
  • both pure research grants and more particularly,
  • National Science Foundation programs
  • for experienced and inexperienced teachers
  • and summer institutes.
  • By all odds, the most successful of all of our departments,
  • and several of them, as you've already learned,
  • have been quite successful.
  • Joe, why do you have a lock on getting summer institute
  • grants from the National Science Foundation?
  • Well, Herb, I don't think we have
  • a lock on getting these summer grants and academic year
  • institutes.
  • But I think that we've been fortunate here at Western
  • in attracting very able young staff of mathematicians,
  • who are active in mathematical research
  • and scholarly activity.
  • And at the same time, they have a deep concern for teacher
  • education and teachers.
  • And I think that this comes through
  • in writing our proposals.
  • While it's very-- wishing to spare your blushes a go,
  • but speaking of the success of the NSF institutes,
  • is it not true that your own textbook-- that
  • is Joseph Hashisaki's textbook-- is the one standardly used
  • in the NSF math institutes for elementary teachers?
  • Yes.
  • The book, which John Peterson and I wrote,
  • has been used most widely in the summer institutes
  • for the elementary teachers.
  • I think one of the reasons for that
  • is when the book was written, it was
  • written with the teachers in mind
  • rather than our own ego or something like that.
  • We were trying to write a book which
  • would actually be useful and helpful to the teachers that
  • are--
  • You mean you did not write it for the critical math
  • reviewers.
  • But rather, for the classroom teacher?
  • Yes.
  • This is one mistake that many writers tend to make.
  • And that is writing with what the reviewer is going
  • to say about the book, and they very often
  • get far too sophisticated.