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The promise of a
long, hot summer

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has been more than
that in places

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like Newark, New Jersey
and some other spots

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in the United States.

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This by way of
introducing our guest,

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John J. O'Connell
Attorney General

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of the state of Washington,
and a man not unfamiliar

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with many of the problems
that go into situations

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which make long, hot summers.

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Mr. O'Connell, let's begin
by discussing this business

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of rioting in the streets.

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Where is it heading, and in
your opinion, where is it

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going to end?

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Well, of course,
Duane, this is one

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of the phenomena that
has attacked the United

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States in recent years.

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And of course, it's laid
in the dissatisfaction

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and the unhappiness
and the poverty

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and the despair of
the American Negro.

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And it has become reflected
in violence and in an attitude

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of hate or destruction.

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And as you point out,
Newark is a tragic evidence

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of that as well as
Hartford and Plainfield

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and probably some other
cities during this summer.

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Many people relate this
explosion or this passion

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to the increase in crime and
disrespect for law and order

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in the United States
today, and some of it

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may be for that reason.

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I think President
Johnson this morning

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indicated that
until we eliminate

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the reason for this hatred
or this destructive attitude,

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we won't be able to eliminate
the actual actions that

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take place.

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And he's undoubtedly right.

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I don't think, however, that
this activity by the Negroes

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particularly is necessarily
the reason for the increase

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in crime in the United States.

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I might say this.

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You refer to the
long, hot summer.

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We don't get those up here.

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We've had a beautiful
summer this year,

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but some people say that
the dissatisfaction is

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related in some
respect to the weather,

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and I suppose part of it is.

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That we have been extremely
fortunate in our state

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that the conditions that exist
in other areas of the United

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States that cause
these explosions

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do not appear to exist here
in our state at this time.

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Not even in the
metropolitan areas?

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I don't think so.

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We have high employment.

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As yet, we don't
have any heavy ghetto

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that many of the Eastern
And Midwestern states have.

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But unless we take some
action of some kind,

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we probably will in
the years to come.

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But the conditions that exist
say in Cleveland or Chicago

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or New York City
or Newark do not

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exist as yet in the state of
Washington, which gives us

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a passing thought, and
that is, let's make sure

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that they don't exist.

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Is there any way
that the enactment

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by the legislature of the
Fair Housing Legislation

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might tie in to preventing
this type of thing?

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Could this be one
point to touch on?

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Well, most sociologists and
other population experts

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and civil rights
folks seem to think

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that open housing
legislation would

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be a cure all for this problem.

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I'm not so sure
whether it would be.

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Certainly, it would
aid in eliminating

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from the feeling of
the Negro the fact

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that he is compulsorily placed
in a given spot in a large city

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and that he is
free to roam around

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and that he won't
be discriminated

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against by property owners
and real estate brokers

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and what have you.

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But people, whether
they be Negroes

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or like I was, Irish American
or Norwegians or German

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or Italians, do sort
of gather together.

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They have a community
of interest.

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And whether you have
open housing or not,

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I think a certain amount
of this will always occur.

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It's up to the
individual, and it's more

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a matter of education
and understanding

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what you're saying
than it is legislative.

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And in the problem of
the American Negro,

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I think we should
point out that we've

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made just tremendous progress
in the last 10 or 15 years.

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Right here in our
state when I got back

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from World War II in
1946, most restaurants

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and other places
of public resort

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didn't allow a Negro to
even walk in the door.

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They'd turned them down at
the counter or at the table.

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This doesn't occur anymore.

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So we've made great
progress that way.

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But we aren't going to solve
this rather terrifying problem

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in a short period of time.

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It's going to take some time.

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You're patting us on
the back in a way,

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and yet we have a problem
on the Indian reservations

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or off the
reservations, don't we?

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Yes we do.

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And sometimes I think if we
devoted as much attention

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to the problem of
the American Indian

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as we did to the problem
of the American Negro,

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we could solve it because the
numbers are so small in so far

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as the American
Indian is concerned.

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But this is a great
problem, and of course we

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have to upgrade both the
Indian and the Negro.

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We have to train and educate
them and give them skills

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so that they can compete
in a white man's society.

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Let's hearken back.

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We started talking about
crime in the streets.

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In your vantage point
of Attorney General,

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do you have any close
contact with people

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in similar positions
in areas where

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they've been hit by these
so-called race riots

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this summer?

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Yes, in most instances, I
talk to the Attorney General

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of the given state as I did
this morning in New Jersey,

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and we're very
concerned, because this

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could happen in Seattle.

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And we'd like to know
what the symptoms were

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before it came into existence,
before the violence occurred

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and so forth.

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So we keep abreast
of these problems

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as they occur in
the United States.

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Is there any
indication, have you

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been able to determine where
the leadership is coming from

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for these riots?

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Is this a spontaneous
thing, simply the humidity?

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Well, Ramsey Clark, the
United States Attorney General

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was in our state last week,
and he was asked that question.

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And he certainly
would know much better

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than I. And Ramsey said that
there was no conspiracy.

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There was no leadership
going from city to city

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and inciting riots or violence.

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I'm frankly not so sure.

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I know human nature,
and I wouldn't

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be surprised if there
where some of this,

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although I have of course
no substance or evidence

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to document such a feeling.

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In your opinion, and it
is Clark's observation

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that people like Carmichael,
Stokely Carmichael,

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are not actually
mapping out a plan

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but just happened on the scene?

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Right.

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Of course, if I were
Stokely Carmichael

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and there was a big riot going
on in say, Providence, Rhode

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Island, I'd probably drop
in to see what was going on.

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I rather think, though,
that the federal government

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keeps a close eye
on conspiracies,

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which are against the law and
against the federal statutes.

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And if they had any
evidence to support

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a charge of a conspiracy
to incite a riot,

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I'm sure they'd follow through.

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What are the alternatives?

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How do you stop something
like this before it starts?

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Well, the best
alternatives, I think,

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are negotiations or
discussions between

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the so-called white leadership
of a given town and the Negro

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community or the central core.

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And as long as there
are expressions

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of goodwill and efforts
made on both their parts

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to improve the lot of those
that are disadvantaged,

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then I think the atmosphere
of hostility doesn't develop.

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I think we could use a little
more of this in our state.

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They make efforts, but
it's always easy to forget.

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You take care of
your own problem

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and take care of your
own difficulties.

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It's hard enough to
solve your own sometimes.

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And sometimes, you forget
the man or the woman

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on the other side.

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And I think we could do a little
more positive, direct work

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with the Negro
communities in our state

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to make sure that they
realize that we are cognizant

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of their problems.

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They are full citizens
just like anyone else.

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And they're entitled to
the concern of government

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and the concern of
community groups.

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We've heard a great deal about
crime and about the awareness

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that is apparently coming about
by officials in governments

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and by civic organizations.

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Where are we going?

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What's happening?

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Well, crime I think--

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and I guess the President
of the United States

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agrees with me-- is the
number one domestic problem

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in the United States.

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Crime is a problem
of the environment.

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We worry a lot about
air and water pollution,

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about traffic, about many other
complexities in our modern day

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environment.

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Crime is also such a
problem of the environment.

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If you're afraid of the
security of your person

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or the security
of your property,

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you have a first class
environmental problem.

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Crime in the United States
is growing at a rate

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several times faster than
the population increase,

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and this is true in the
state of Washington.

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Crime is a serious problem.

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We have never nationally
or statewide taken a look

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at the methods we
utilize to combat crime

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or prevent crime to see
what we can do about it.

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So the president just completed
a commissioned study on crime,

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and in the last
part of his report,

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he indicates that when
all is said and done,

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90% of the problem of crime
is state and local in nature.

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We read about the FBI and
we watch their programs,

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and they're a great national
law enforcement institution.

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But the fact remains
that they only

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work in a very little
narrow area of crime.

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Crime, the burglary, the
robbery, the assault,

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the murder, the stolen car,
the embezzlement, crime

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is a matter of state and local
involvement and jurisdiction.

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So the immediate
obvious answer is

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that state and local government
must do something about crime

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if they're going to take any
kind of a stand against it.

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Well of course, we
all oppose crime.

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But isn't it more deep
seeded than law enforcement

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against crime?

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Is American society gone
off the tracks somewhere?

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Well, of course we are
known as a violent people,

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and we're known as a people that
are inclined to break the law.

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But we aren't that bad.

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A lot of people say, well,
the fabric of American society

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has just gone to pieces.

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Well, I think one of the finest
answers against that argument

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is the behavior of
our troops in Vietnam

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who are outstanding,
virile, brave soldiers.

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If there's any consolation
to be taken out

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of Vietnam, that's about
the only one I can think of.

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But our fabric has broken
down to some degree.

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The American automobile causes
a lot of our crime problem.

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The family disintegration
in the United States

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causes much of
our crime problem.

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Family disintegration,
for example,

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well over half the American
married women, mothers work, so

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that means well over
half of American families

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when they're young have neither
father nor mother at home

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to guide them and shape
them during the day.

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And there are thousands
of other reasons

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or causes or symptoms that
create our problem in crime.

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Now, we can do
something about it.

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, Certainly the effort of the
federal government to ease

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poverty and to give hope to
people who are disadvantaged is

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an answer to the problem
of crime at least in part.

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If I were a man that didn't
have a nickel to my name

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and faced despair and
hopelessness every day,

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what reason do I have
to abide by the law?

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The law is my enemy.

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So these people break the law.

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They steal and they rob and they
commit various other offenses.

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There are things we can do
in the social structure,

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and there are things we can do
in every aspect of our impact

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governmental-wise with crime.

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Law enforcement is
just one part of it.

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There has recently been For the
Citizens Conference on Crime.

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Well, after the president
finished his national survey

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and study and he
clearly pointed out

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that this was a matter of
state and local involvement,

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of course, the call
was clear to us.

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We've been thinking
of it for many years,

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but they did so much
preliminary work

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that it was extremely
valuable to us.

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So we formed a statewide
citizens committee on crime

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consisting of 57 citizens,
male, female, professional

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and otherwise, on
a statewide basis.

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And we've had our first meeting.

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We've divided into task forces.

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What I was concerned
about was the degree

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of concern and enthusiasm that
I would get from just citizens.

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And I was just overpowered
by the reaction.

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They are concerned about it.

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They think that by their
work and by their study,

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they can point some directions
where we can at least alleviate

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the causes of crime.

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Do you have any idea what
these directions might be?

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Well, let's take an area
like minor offenses.

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Misdemeanors.

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Most of our lower courts are
clogged with the alcoholics.

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The drunken offenders.

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I can remember when I was a
City Attorney for a police

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court in Tacoma.

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Day after day, in came
the same man or woman

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who got 20 days, 30
days for being drunk.

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This is their only offense.

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They were alcoholics, and they
serve virtually a life sentence

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in a city jail for being drunk.

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In and out.

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In and out.

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They'd be out a day or two
days and then back in again

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for 20 or 30.

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Obviously, our
approach to the problem

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of the alcoholic offender or
the drunk is not working out.

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So if it isn't
working out, there's

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something wrong with it.

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And if there's
something wrong with it,

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let's see how we can
change it administratively.

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So I think the trick is to work
out some administrative device

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handling and caring for
the alcoholic offender

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of a non-penal or
imprisonment nature.

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The same thing, I
think, can be said

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for minor traffic offenses.

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Does this involve
changing a basic law?

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Does this tie into your proposal
for constitutional reform?

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Or could we do it with
the machinery we have?

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Oh, I think we could probably
do this with that machinery.

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But where we need
constitutional reform,

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and I think this is the number
one governmental problem

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in our state and in
every state in the union,

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is to rewrite and reshape
their constitution

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to meet the urban society,
which is on us right now.

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Let's take King County, the
biggest county in our state,

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a metropolitan county.

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It has 32 autonomous police
departments in King County.

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This is a shocking fact when
it's just exposed like that.

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Here are 32 agencies all
facing the same problem,

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crime in a metropolitan area.

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All autonomous,
different pension system,

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different criteria
for the officer,

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different training all
the way down the line.

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Many of these are inefficient
because they're small

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and they can't afford
the specialists that's

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required in a modern massive
law enforcement agency.

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Now, in order to coalesce this
type of an operation in King

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County, I think some
constitutional revision

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is absolutely necessary
to restructure

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our system of local
and county governments

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so in a given time
like today where

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we have this diffluence of
energy in a metropolitan area

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that we can pass a law that
says we'll handle the problem

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or we'll coalesce them
in this given way.

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What other phases
of your proposal

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get into the realm of law
enforcement or justice?

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You mean in constitution?

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Constitution.

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Well, clear example to me is we
handle crime on a local basis

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basically in the
state of Washington.

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And we do it by
county and by city.

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We have 39 counties
in the state.

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The officer who starts the ball
rolling in so far as punishment

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and incarceration when the
criminal offender is concerned

00:18:33.650 --> 00:18:35.720 align:middle line:90%
is the prosecuting attorney.

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Well, only in five counties is
he elected or is he full time.

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He's elected in every county.

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34 counties, he's part time.

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Utterly ridiculous.

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You have a part time man who
is the prosecuting attorney

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in a given county, and he has
to constantly argue with himself

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on the ethical
considerations of whether he

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can take this case privately as
against this case for the state

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or for the county publicly.

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We should have, I think, a
system of district attorneys,

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and everyone who is a
prosecuting attorney

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should be full time.

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I know this is a matter
in Whatcom County that's

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been of some concern.

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In order to do that, you have
to change the Constitution.

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Because the Constitution
says each county,

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whether it be Pend Oreille with
a population of 8,000 or King

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with a population of a million
shall each have an elected

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prosecuting attorney
for the borders

00:19:28.660 --> 00:19:31.410 align:middle line:90%
of that particular county.

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So this all brings
up more expenditures

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of taxpayers' money.

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Oh, not necessarily.

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No, we have a lot
of overlapping,

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a lot of wasteful duplication.

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We just aren't running
the business of government

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in my mind in an
efficient fashion.

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And there are some
aspects of government

00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:51.730 align:middle line:84%
that are business in
nature, and we certainly

00:19:51.730 --> 00:19:55.630 align:middle line:84%
can steal some very valuable
expertise from the business

00:19:55.630 --> 00:19:58.000 align:middle line:84%
community in so far as
running the government

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on its administration level.

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On the other hand
of that scale, you

00:20:01.630 --> 00:20:04.750 align:middle line:84%
mentioned the full time
prosecutor or district attorney

00:20:04.750 --> 00:20:05.780 align:middle line:90%
system.

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What about a public
defender system?

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Is the court-appointed attorney
system we now have adequate?

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No, I don't think so.

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I think we should have a
public defender system as well,

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and that would probably
cost some money.

00:20:19.555 --> 00:20:21.680 align:middle line:84%
But keep in mind, when I
talk about the prosecutor,

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I'm talking about combining
counties, the districts.

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That is, a district might have
three or four counties in it

00:20:27.580 --> 00:20:31.250 align:middle line:84%
and just one elected
prosecuting attorney.

00:20:31.250 --> 00:20:34.880 align:middle line:84%
I think the public defender
system is a good one,

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and I don't think the
appointed system, although it's

00:20:37.910 --> 00:20:43.050 align:middle line:84%
been upgraded in recent years,
is adequate to the task.

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Let's keep in mind, and
I think that everyone

00:20:45.350 --> 00:20:47.900 align:middle line:84%
should keep in mind, that when
we take a man's freedom away

00:20:47.900 --> 00:20:50.980 align:middle line:84%
from him and put him
in a penitentiary,

00:20:50.980 --> 00:20:55.460 align:middle line:84%
we are destroying his
most valuable asset

00:20:55.460 --> 00:20:56.920 align:middle line:90%
as a citizen of this country.

00:20:56.920 --> 00:20:58.320 align:middle line:90%
We take away his freedom.

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This is what we've
created ourselves for.

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And when we do that, we
must make absolutely sure

00:21:03.650 --> 00:21:06.980 align:middle line:84%
that it is done for
proper and just cause,

00:21:06.980 --> 00:21:11.190 align:middle line:84%
and it should never be a casual
matter as it has in the past.

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This brings to mind, of course,
a number of the recent US

00:21:13.640 --> 00:21:19.160 align:middle line:84%
Supreme Court rulings, which
many law enforcement people say

00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:22.010 align:middle line:90%
have tied their hands.

00:21:22.010 --> 00:21:23.850 align:middle line:90%
Is this true?

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Well, I don't think so.

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What it's done to
law enforcement

00:21:28.220 --> 00:21:32.130 align:middle line:84%
is make them handle their
cases in a different way.

00:21:32.130 --> 00:21:34.760 align:middle line:84%
I know I was Prosecuting
Attorney for Pierce

00:21:34.760 --> 00:21:38.040 align:middle line:90%
County, Tacoma for six years.

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And the vast
percentage of our cases

00:21:40.340 --> 00:21:43.010 align:middle line:84%
were solved by confessions,
and the confessions

00:21:43.010 --> 00:21:47.330 align:middle line:84%
were obtained in a
variety of fashions.

00:21:47.330 --> 00:21:51.170 align:middle line:84%
Man had no recourse to a
lawyer, he was quite frequently

00:21:51.170 --> 00:21:53.330 align:middle line:84%
kept incommunicado
in those days.

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And I frequently
worry about the man

00:21:57.530 --> 00:22:00.170 align:middle line:84%
that might have been
convicted unjustly.

00:22:00.170 --> 00:22:02.130 align:middle line:84%
This comes back to haunt
you once in a while.

00:22:02.130 --> 00:22:05.390 align:middle line:84%
But then that was the way
things were done in those days.

00:22:05.390 --> 00:22:08.990 align:middle line:84%
I don't think the decisions of
the United States Supreme Court

00:22:08.990 --> 00:22:12.200 align:middle line:84%
are that much of an
obstacle to law enforcement.

00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:14.570 align:middle line:84%
I like them, basically,
because anytime we

00:22:14.570 --> 00:22:18.680 align:middle line:84%
have a decision of the
Supreme Court implementing

00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:22.090 align:middle line:84%
the freedom or the liberty
of an individual, I like it.

00:22:22.090 --> 00:22:25.220 align:middle line:84%
Because to me, this
is the whole magic

00:22:25.220 --> 00:22:27.020 align:middle line:84%
of our system of
government, whether it

00:22:27.020 --> 00:22:31.040 align:middle line:84%
be a criminal or a Negro
or a property owner

00:22:31.040 --> 00:22:33.550 align:middle line:90%
or a fellow playing baseball.

00:22:33.550 --> 00:22:34.310 align:middle line:90%
I like it.

00:22:34.310 --> 00:22:38.925 align:middle line:84%
I think this is the real
magic of the federal system.

00:22:38.925 --> 00:22:40.550 align:middle line:84%
The answer to law
enforcement is to get

00:22:40.550 --> 00:22:45.350 align:middle line:84%
more efficient, more effective,
to get better personnel.

00:22:45.350 --> 00:22:47.660 align:middle line:84%
And I don't think these
decisions will eventually

00:22:47.660 --> 00:22:50.940 align:middle line:84%
result in being a
serious problem.

00:22:50.940 --> 00:22:53.580 align:middle line:84%
What of the future of
automation of law enforcement?

00:22:53.580 --> 00:22:56.350 align:middle line:84%
Let's look ahead
just a little bit.

00:22:56.350 --> 00:22:59.660 align:middle line:84%
Well, automation is going
to be in law enforcement

00:22:59.660 --> 00:23:01.430 align:middle line:84%
in a very short period
of time, and we'll

00:23:01.430 --> 00:23:05.060 align:middle line:84%
be punching buttons and
keys and feeding information

00:23:05.060 --> 00:23:07.670 align:middle line:84%
into these mechanical
monsters just

00:23:07.670 --> 00:23:09.810 align:middle line:90%
like every other business is.

00:23:09.810 --> 00:23:12.650 align:middle line:84%
And they will prove, I
think, to be a great boon

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to law enforcement.

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Information will come to
them much more quickly.

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When you get a suspicious
person you are observing,

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you get the license
number of his car,

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in a matter of a
few minutes you can

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get a tremendous
amount of information

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to determine in your own
mind whether that man is

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a dangerous person or
an innocent citizen.

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Only a few years ago, we got a
statewide teletype network here

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in the state of Washington.

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We were the last state on
the west coast to get it.

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And this is invaluable.

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Prior to that, a man could
commit a crime in say, Seattle.

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He could go to Ephrata.

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It takes days for the
letter communication

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to get to Ephrata or
Spokane or Walla Walla.

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Now, with a statewide
teletype network

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connected all over key places,
I think 20 to 30 of them

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in the state, that information
is disseminated very, very

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rapidly.

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And that's proven to be a
great help to law enforcement.

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Briefly about the junior
or middle appellate court

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we've heard about.

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Well, that'll be on
the ballot in 1968

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as a constitutional amendment.

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We'll have seven constitutional
amendments in 1968,

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and most of them the
public won't understand.

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And we've probably had
200 since statehood,

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which again points out to
me the absolute necessity

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of a Constitutional
Convention where

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delegates elected by the people
will revise our document.

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But this is worthwhile.

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We need an intermediate
appellate court.

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I know my office in
the same building

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that our state
Supreme Court does,

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and I know how
much work they do.

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And they do need an
intermediate court

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to take some of the steam
off of their efforts.

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Sir, our time is up.

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One last question.

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Do you have any comment
about the security

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leak in the governor's office?

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Oh, I don't know
whether the security

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leak was in the
governor's office or not.

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I suppose you're referring
to the poll which

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showed the governor in a
disadvantageous position.

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This was a professional
poll, and I

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assume that the
results were valid,

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at least done professionally.

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But polls are interesting.

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They are subject to change.

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The public changes
its mind quite a bit.

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To me, the only
real valid poll is

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the one taken on election day
by others than professionals.

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Thank you very much.

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State Attorney General John
J. O'Connell of the State

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of Washington.

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Thank you, and good night.

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