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  • Hello and welcome.
  • It's so good to see you all today
  • for this very special session of Western C.A.R.E.S.
  • My name is Athena, and I'm going to be acting as your host
  • today.
  • And it's my pleasure to welcome you to the series.
  • Just a little bit about Western C.A.R.E.S. before we get started.
  • We started this as a resource for us
  • to connect and share and maintain
  • our sense of community and engagement during these days
  • where we're trying to stay home and stay healthy.
  • These are online interactive sessions
  • that are put on by your colleagues and peers, who
  • are so generously volunteering their time
  • to share these interests and experiences with you.
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  • and then I'm here for tech support and anything
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  • So thank you so much for joining us.
  • This is a very special session.
  • There will be time at the end that you
  • can unmute yourself and ask questions
  • to both our host and the person that she is interviewing,
  • the wonderful Rose, today.
  • And if you're not comfortable turning on sound to do that,
  • feel free to put it in the chat on the side,
  • and we'll be monitoring that, as well.
  • So now I'd like to introduce our wonderful host today, Dharitri,
  • to tell you a bit more about this series
  • and who we're interviewing today.
  • Thank you so much.
  • Welcome, everyone.
  • This is Stories to Tell, and my name is Dharitri Bhattacharjee.
  • I'm a faculty in the history department at Western.
  • I teach South Asian history.
  • In this oral history series, our goal
  • is to explore the diversity of South Asian perspectives
  • on COVID-19.
  • Every Tuesday and Thursday from 2:00 PM to 3:00 PM PST,
  • we will be bringing you a new voice for the next five weeks.
  • Our first guest today is Rose Kular.
  • She's a Bellingham resident.
  • She's a Western student.
  • And today, among other things, she
  • will talk to us about online classes,
  • about school/home balance.
  • Thank you so much, Rose, for joining.
  • And let's just start off by asking you just to tell us
  • a little bit about yourself.
  • Yeah.
  • So hi, my name is Rose Kular.
  • And I'm 19 years old.
  • I was born and raised in Whatcom County.
  • I have lived my entire life between Bellingham
  • and Ferndale.
  • This is my first year at Western,
  • and I did two years of Running Start prior to that.
  • And I graduated from Ferndale High School last spring.
  • So I identify myself as a Sikh-American.
  • Sikhism is the world's fifth largest religion.
  • It is separate from both Islamism and Hinduism.
  • It was started in 1469 by our first guru, Guru Nanak Dev Ji.
  • And yeah, that's just a little bit about me.
  • Even people who had lived in Bellingham for very long,
  • will say that it's very white, right?
  • That's what I kept hearing.
  • So what was it growing up as a Sikh-American in Bellingham?
  • Definitely growing up in a predominantly white community
  • when you don't fit that stereotype
  • is going to come with its unique sense of difficulties.
  • And I think, for the most part, most people
  • are caring and inclusive, but there was that feeling,
  • especially as a teenager when you're
  • learning to discover yourself, that feeling
  • of kind of like otherness and not quite fitting in.
  • Like, there were specific times in high school
  • where I would walk into an event and I just
  • didn't feel like I belonged there because of my religion,
  • because of my background.
  • So it definitely had its struggles,
  • but for the most part, I think Whatcom County is a great place
  • to live.
  • And most people are excited to learn
  • and are willing to accept people from different backgrounds.
  • It's just sometimes it's that one person out of 100 who
  • doesn't feel quite that way.
  • And it can feel a little bit disincluding in this county.
  • So you've born in Bellingham, raised here.
  • You went to college here.
  • You did your first year.
  • Did you consider going to college outside Bellingham,
  • outside Western, or outside Pacific Northwest?
  • You know, I did consider moving to Seattle
  • to go to college there, but I never
  • considered moving out of Pacific Northwest.
  • I think this is my home.
  • It's where I'm comfortable.
  • My family moved to specifically Ferndale and Whatcom County
  • back in the '80s.
  • I actually graduated from the same high school my mom did.
  • We even had some of the same teachers growing up.
  • So there is that sense of community,
  • where it's like you can go to the grocery store
  • and see people you know.
  • And being family-oriented, I didn't
  • want to move far away from my family.
  • So I never really considered moving a considerable distance
  • away from my family.
  • So you've finished your first year at Western,
  • and obviously, when it started, you
  • could not have possibly imagined how it will end.
  • So how was the last quarter, in particular?
  • Because Western moved online completely.
  • I mean, this last quarter was definitely
  • a really big struggle, in a lot of different ways.
  • I think just the transition from in-person to online,
  • I don't think that there was--
  • I mean, there is no way to have predicted it.
  • I thought teachers were unprepared
  • and students were unprepared.
  • And I definitely didn't feel like I was learning quite as
  • much online as I was in person.
  • You know, when I go to class in person,
  • at least for me, my process of learning was normally
  • I sit down and I take notes in class,
  • and that's my first stage of processing information.
  • And then when I go home and I have assignments to do,
  • that would be my second stage, and I
  • would review that information and really start to absorb it.
  • And that third stage would then be
  • when you're going to take an exam
  • and you're going to review that material again.
  • So there is like that three stages of review in person.
  • When I went to online, it was more of just
  • looking at PowerPoint and looking at the assignment
  • and just filling in the blanks.
  • It wasn't as much of actually learning the information.
  • It was more skimming through it.
  • And because I am in my first year at Western,
  • a lot of the classes that I were taking
  • were the core classes that are going to be used in the future.
  • I'm doing a business administration degree
  • with a marketing concentration.
  • So a lot of those classes I felt like
  • are going to be essential to my future
  • not only at Western, but my future as a professional
  • and as a working--
  • you know, I feel like it would be important for my future
  • jobs, and I just felt like that foundation wasn't--
  • it just wasn't there.
  • And I felt like teachers could have reached out
  • more to students.
  • Some of my teachers, I don't even know what they look like
  • or anything.
  • And a lot of the times, I didn't see other students.
  • And it was a very big transition,
  • and it was definitely difficult.
  • So are you coming back to Western for next year,
  • or what are your plans?
  • As of right now, I am planning on going back
  • to Western for fall quarter.
  • Having said that, I do expect a lot more from fall quarter,
  • both as me and from faculty.
  • I think we all saw what worked and what didn't work,
  • and I definitely do expect teachers to--
  • you know, now they have a couple of months in advance
  • to have prepared, to be better prepared for the course,
  • to have better material, and to do a better
  • job at understanding what the students are going through.
  • I think just reaching out to students
  • more often I think would really help so they could actually
  • see where our knowledge is at, regardless of where
  • we are in the course schedule.
  • I think sometimes teachers focus more on course schedules
  • than where the student's knowledge is at.
  • And I definitely did feel that fear
  • of kind of reaching out to teachers when I'd never
  • met them, and just that fear of putting myself out there
  • and feeling kind of stupid or anything like that.
  • Were you able to--
  • like, was it an option to reach out to other students,
  • or did you reach out to the faculty?
  • Because I mean, one quarter is a very, very sort
  • of short session, and within that time,
  • there's lots going on.
  • But yeah.
  • You know, only one of my classes actually
  • had a required Zoom meeting.
  • So then there, I was able to reach out
  • to students a little bit, but that was only
  • at the very tail end of the quarter.
  • Some of the teachers, I would reach out,
  • and then I wouldn't hear back until like two weeks later.
  • And so the opportunity definitely was there.
  • But through my own kind of fear of reaching out and struggling
  • and having to juggle so much with everything else going on,
  • I just didn't have the opportunity
  • to reach out to faculty, and I just
  • didn't feel like, with the problems
  • I was facing, that it would have really been more helpful.
  • I thought it was kind of more just like-- it was kind
  • just like figure it out.
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  • Sorry.
  • Go ahead.
  • Sorry.
  • And I think, like, teachers were struggling, as well,
  • and we do understand that as students.
  • Like, there was no planning for this.
  • So teachers who had taught online courses before
  • had definitely better course material
  • and better plans in place versus teachers
  • who had never taught online.
  • There was definitely a big divide.
  • But coming to fall, I do expect that divide to be smaller
  • and for it to be better working.
  • So you know there's lots being written about students right
  • now because it's in their decision
  • to come back to college, to pursue education that--
  • basically, the education sector pretty much
  • depends on their decision.
  • So how do you feel, I mean, being this critical consumer
  • at this point in history?
  • I mean, I think it is difficult overall.
  • I mean, even pre-COVID-19, tuition
  • is something that's kind of ridiculously high,
  • and I think is something that so many students have
  • to take student loans for.
  • And seeing how Western did respond
  • to this global pandemic, I do support Western,
  • I do have a lot of love for my school and a lot of support.
  • I saw that they were trying to reach out for students,
  • and doing that.
  • So that definitely does make me feel better
  • about where I'm putting my money and what I'm
  • doing as a critical consumer.
  • But I definitely think that's more
  • of like kind of like just nationwide is
  • like to offer more help for students, to lower
  • the costs of education.
  • I feel like education shouldn't be a privilege.
  • But it does feel like that with the price of education
  • being what it is.
  • It does seem more of a privilege, where
  • other students might have to work and go to school.
  • And it's just difficult overall.
  • So you come to college for an education.
  • The learning is very important.
  • And I'm sorry to hear that you feel that some of the core
  • classes that you took you didn't learn a lot.
  • But, I mean, college is also--
  • right after school, you come for a social experience.
  • Can you talk to us a little bit about the social experience?
  • How was that?
  • Yeah, no.
  • Definitely, my social life, before corona
  • and after quarantine, is completely different.
  • I mean, before COVID-19, I was--
  • honestly, home was more of a place
  • I would come to eat, sleep, and to leave the next day.
  • And I didn't quite realize the effect
  • that socializing had on us, both our mental health
  • and our physical health.
  • A lot of my friends are other students at Western.
  • And going to cafes or going to the library to study
  • was kind of a common daily experience for us
  • to just see other students and to see your friends
  • and to talk about how your classes are going
  • and to just, overall, be a support system.
  • And after COVID-19, I mean, the only people I was seeing
  • was, basically, my family, which is very different from what
  • was happening before.
  • And as a teenager, we definitely used a lot of FaceTime
  • and a lot of--
  • we definitely spent a lot of time
  • on the phone with each other.
  • But it did not replace that in-person, human-to-human,
  • communication and contact or socialization
  • in any way or form.
  • I think it was more of a poor substitute for what that was,
  • but we definitely tried to stay in touch
  • and constantly be calling and texting.
  • What was the typical day look like in terms
  • of attending classes on Zoom--
  • I'm presuming-- and then staying at home?
  • How did a day look like?
  • Because you said you pretty much came home
  • to eat and sleep before social distancing and the pandemic
  • started.
  • I think when you look at my daily life,
  • I think that's where you can see the biggest
  • difference between being a Sikh American
  • and between being just American.
  • I definitely have a lot of different home responsibilities
  • than I saw my white friends did.
  • Coming home, especially, being a daughter, and being the eldest,
  • a lot of it was waking up in the morning, making breakfast,
  • and then sitting down with my two younger
  • siblings who are 9 and 11.
  • And it wasn't just that I was doing my own online coursework.
  • I was also trying to help them through their math,
  • and their math is even more important than mine,
  • I feel like.
  • They're in elementary school, learning
  • fractions and important fundamental things like that.
  • And a lot of that helping them out and teaching them kind of
  • fell on to me as an older sister and as someone
  • who has gone through the same education system
  • that they have gone to.
  • A lot of that fell on to me, whereas my parents weren't
  • able to do that quite as well.
  • And also the fact that my grandmother was traveling
  • abroad when quarantine started.
  • And her being the biggest babysitting support
  • and not having her be here, it all kind of fell on to me.
  • So I would wake up, I would make breakfast,
  • and we would work on homework--
  • helping my siblings and then also making dinner at night
  • and helping doing kitchen work and other chore work--
  • and, especially, on the weekends because my dad
  • is a long-haul truck driver, so he's gone for most of the week.
  • And due to coronavirus, he wasn't
  • able to eat out as much as he normally did.
  • So one day out of the week, me and my mom
  • have to take all of our time and cook him enough food
  • to last him a week to take on to the truck with him, which
  • is a very typical kind of South Sikh American thing,
  • especially, in Whatcom county.
  • I know a lot of Sikh men that are truck drivers,
  • and they take food for the whole week.
  • And a lot of that falling on to me
  • on my mom to be her support system and to help my siblings
  • and kind of just be that third parent to them, in a sense,
  • cooking them food, taking them to doctors appointments,
  • helping them with their homework.
  • So I know the gurdwara is the Sikh temple,
  • and it's also been an important part of your social life.
  • Did the gurdwara stay open during this entire time?
  • Was it at all a place you could go to and maintain
  • social distance?
  • No, the gurdwara closed down during quarantine.
  • So you were still able to go there,
  • but there was no services or anything.
  • I mean, school work and gurdwara, that's
  • really a lot of my social life.
  • And if I know friends from school,
  • I know friends from temple.
  • That's such a big part of just being a community
  • and seeing each other.
  • And now, recently, as we've gone into phase two in Whatcom
  • County, the gurdwara has slowly opened up.
  • But we're still not doing our classes and everything
  • we were doing before.
  • I felt like losing that sense of community and--
  • especially, in our religion, community
  • is a very big thing and being with fellow Sikhs--
  • that just added to that isolation factor and to--
  • I think, not just for me, but everyone had a really hard time
  • being motivated and staying hopeful during this time.
  • And I think not being able to go to gurdwara
  • to see my fellow Sikhs to pray and be in these environments,
  • it really added--
  • it was really difficult.
  • So it looks like you live in a multigenerational household,
  • or what in South Asia we call a joined family.
  • How has your--
  • I mean, I'm presuming this is the only sort of family model
  • you know because this is how you grown up,
  • but you also know that it's not very common.
  • So what are your thoughts on a multigenerational or joined
  • family?
  • I mean, the way that my family works is really
  • quite different.
  • And I don't think I realized that until--
  • some of my friends in high school,
  • seeing their expectations of what their households were,
  • and my expectations of what my household were,
  • are completely different.
  • When it comes to education and to school,
  • it's like we're the same people.
  • We're in the same boat.
  • And I think my fellow students who are white,
  • they had the same educational experience as I did.
  • But when it came to the home-life,
  • they didn't have the same expectations
  • of being expected to help cook and to help clean
  • and to help do all these other household chores.
  • And like I said before, especially, being a daughter,
  • it kind of does fall more onto daughters in families
  • than it does onto sons.
  • And, yeah, there's definitely a big difference
  • in seeing how other people were able to have sleepovers,
  • to go out when they wanted, when I
  • was expected to be home, and just
  • different expectations of family goals.
  • So when you look back at the pandemic--
  • and this is not to say that the pandemic is over because you
  • really don't know what's ahead--
  • but what will you remember most about the last three, four
  • months, or what do you recall most?
  • What's the most significant thing that stands out for you?
  • I think we can't discuss the global pandemic
  • and quarantine these last couple of months
  • without also discussing the Black Lives Matter
  • movement and the rights that we had
  • in our country at the same time.
  • And I think both of those issues are completely different.
  • But I think they both accelerated each other
  • and made it--
  • amplified that effect of that desperation and feeling like,
  • what is really going to happen?
  • And what is happening in our country?
  • What is happening in our world, and what
  • is happening in my community?
  • And I just remember--
  • I mean, really, I don't consider myself
  • to be too emotional of a person, but I remember
  • watching that video of George Floyd being killed
  • in our streets and just remembering
  • just feeling absolute devastation, for not only him
  • and his family, but for our country as a whole,
  • that this is kind of--
  • kind of feels like we're stuck in this place.
  • And I feel like 99% of people are good.
  • It's just that 1% that can get in there and just--
  • it can topple a whole system.
  • And, especially, being a Sikh American--
  • we're talking about in the first week of June,
  • it's also the anniversary of the Sikh genocide of 1984.
  • So being stuck at home and not being able to see other people,
  • I was looking at videos of these riots and these protests
  • and also looking at the history of the Sikh genocide in 1984
  • where it's--
  • I mean, India and America are two completely
  • different countries.
  • It was 1984 and 2020 are two completely different centuries,
  • but these issues are so similar to each other.
  • And the fact that people, minorities,
  • were facing police discrimination and police
  • brutality is just--
  • it was hurtful, and it was hard to see us go through that.
  • Quickly, I mean, for the audience,
  • what happened in 1984 in India?
  • I mean, just to do a quick recap,
  • in 1984, Indira Gandhi, who was the prime minister of India
  • at the time, led Operation Blue Star
  • where they took the Indian army and they
  • attacked Amritsar, the Golden Temple,
  • which is one of the six holiest shrines and places.
  • It was a couple of days of surrounding the temple,
  • and it was isolation at the time.
  • And there was a lot of police brutality,
  • a lot of killings of Sikhs, that still to this day,
  • have not faced justice.
  • Especially, with the police brutality,
  • police is something that's supposed to protect and serve
  • us, but they turned against Sikhs at that time,
  • following Indira Gandhi's orders.
  • So I did see that there were protests in Bellingham.
  • Were you expecting that there would
  • be Black Lives Matter movement would find this kind of support
  • in Bellingham, or were you surprised by it?
  • I think at first I was a little bit surprised
  • because when we're looking at the news,
  • we mostly see these larger cities where
  • the riots and the protests would sometimes get violent.
  • But I did end up going to the protests that happened
  • in downtown Bellingham, and I think
  • it was one of those incredible moments where
  • it's like almost every single person I
  • saw there was wearing a mask.
  • Everyone respecting.
  • They were keeping distance.
  • Everyone was recognizing the issue of the global pandemic,
  • but they were still there in solidarity for Black Lives
  • and for all minorities.
  • And, especially, in Whatcom County,
  • Whatcom County does have a history of fear of immigrants,
  • of fear of people of color.
  • I think, sometimes, we think that-- we look at our County,
  • and we think it's not really as much of a big of a issue.
  • But it still is there.
  • I think it was truly incredible to see everyone show up
  • there in solidarity.
  • And the fact that most of the people I saw there were white,
  • and there were so many different generations.
  • There was kids.
  • There were older generations.
  • Everyone was there, no matter what walks of life,
  • people were.
  • And everyone was there to support
  • this in this very important movement happening
  • in our country.
  • It was very interesting to see that the Black Lives Matter is
  • something that will stand up following
  • in the last experience of the last few months.
  • But with the pandemic, you were to say
  • it's going to leave an imprint on you.
  • How do you think it shaped, or how
  • do you think it is shaping you right now,
  • in terms of what you're thinking in terms of how
  • you're looking at the future?
  • Think the pandemic has really taught
  • me to acknowledge my privilege and to be grateful for what
  • I have, in terms of a roof over my head,
  • a family that is healthy.
  • And these things that we take for granted, especially,
  • health, to see before coronavirus, seeing
  • how well our country was functioning
  • and to see that most Americans really were leading a good life
  • and to be grateful for those privileges
  • that I have had in my life because being born in the US
  • is a privilege.
  • Being multicultural and having knowledge
  • of these two different cultures is a privilege.
  • Having two parents, and having siblings,
  • and having a house over my roof, this was all a privilege
  • that we saw thousands of people didn't have.
  • So really has taught me to appreciate my time here
  • on this earth because one day we will all leave
  • and to really be grateful for our healthcare workers
  • and for everyone who has put their lives on risk to protect
  • us.
  • And your mother is an essential worker.
  • Is that not right?
  • Yes, my mother works as a lab assistant
  • at the local hospital, most specifically, in the ER.
  • So she did deal with coronavirus patients directly.
  • I look at her and I think she's--
  • she is my personal superhero.
  • But just really seeing the fact that she put her life at risk
  • and--
  • and she was fearful of contracting COVID-19
  • and bringing that home to her kids--
  • but the fact that she still going to work every day
  • and showed up and did her duty as an American,
  • as a healthcare worker, to help out everyone in the situation.
  • How do you think state handling has
  • been about the response of the state to COVID-19?
  • It has been a little disappointing, I think,
  • overall.
  • The fact was that, in my opinion,
  • COVID-19 was in China before, and I
  • thought we could have been better prepared.
  • I do understand that this is--
  • it is a global pandemic.
  • No one planned for this to happen.
  • No one was prepared for it, but I do think our nation
  • and our state governments could have done a better
  • job of having proper PPE and having
  • better resources in place to help us out,
  • especially, since we already saw that this
  • was happening in China.
  • And this was happening in Italy.
  • We were told that it's going to come to the US,
  • but we didn't quite believe it until it already came here.
  • And I think, just now, masks became
  • required in Whatcom County.
  • I don't understand why that wasn't done months
  • ago to prevent more cases and to prevent death.
  • I think we could have been more proactive about what
  • we were doing and to have done it sooner.
  • So there is this question that I plan
  • to ask everyone in the series and sort of the last question.
  • But was there a moment when you realized
  • that you are living through a pandemic, a particular moment?
  • And if there is one, can you describe it?
  • I do clearly remember that.
  • I was about to go to Woods Coffee,
  • here in Ferndale, down in Ferndale downtown, and I was--
  • I had parked.
  • And I was about to walk in, and the door was closed.
  • And I realized, oh, they had shut down due to quarantine.
  • And then I looked around and it's--
  • it's in this busy plaza, and the main streets right there.
  • I didn't see any cars.
  • I didn't see any other people.
  • All the businesses were shut down,
  • and it was that moment of like, oh, wow, this is real.
  • This is happening in my hometown.
  • This is happening to me.
  • It's like that movie moment, or if you
  • see like Captain America, when he wakes up 50 years later,
  • he looks around.
  • And he's like, wow, this is my life.
  • You know, just that wondering of how did I get here.
  • And like, wow, it really did hit me.
  • And I was like, OK, this is happening.
  • Thank you so much for your time.
  • These were my questions.
  • But is there anything you would like
  • to share before we open up the session for questions
  • from the audience?
  • No.
  • I would like to thank you guys for giving South Asians
  • a voice through this project.
  • I've never been asked to do anything like this before.
  • Looking at my history books, I've
  • never seen South Asians or minorities be that represented,
  • so I think this is--
  • very thankful for this opportunity.
  • Thank you, and thank you, everyone, for attending.
  • And Athena, I think will, technically, now
  • explain what happens.
  • Sure.
  • Thank you.
  • Thank you both so much.
  • I'm very grateful to be a part of this series
  • and this experience.
  • Now we would just like to open it up
  • to anyone that would like to speak to have a question.
  • Just to keep in mind that when you do put your volume on,
  • it will show either your name or your picture
  • if you turn that on, and we are recording.
  • So just another reminder, but we would love to hear from you.
  • And, again, if you're not comfortable doing that,
  • we can also have you write in the chat,
  • and we'll look over there.
  • Let me just make sure.
  • OK.
  • So you should have the ability now
  • to unmute yourself, if anyone has any questions
  • or anything they'd like to add to the discussion
  • before we close today.
  • Anybody?
  • Wait another moment because I have
  • found that in doing a lot of hosting, it's sometimes just
  • takes a minute to get to the keyboard.
  • Hello, Ruth.
  • Just one quick question--
  • Rose, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts
  • and experiences with the world today.
  • I was wondering if you have any advice
  • that you would give to students that are coming into Fall
  • who've maybe not had the experience that you have had,
  • things to do, things to think about and be aware of, to help
  • them be prepared.
  • I think, especially, college, in general, it's
  • a lot about self-motivation and to stay on top of tasks.
  • So if I think, specifically, for me, one thing I could have done
  • was be more proactive about knowing
  • when I do have to do something and to, especially, split
  • up that time where you're stuck on a computer.
  • I work in an office environment.
  • So I would look at a computer, and then, sometimes,
  • to come home to also have to stare at a computer and watch
  • these hour-long videos, it's not--
  • it's definitely not something interesting.
  • And I think, most importantly, for me,
  • it's trying to kind of create that school environment
  • in your home as much as you can and with whatever resources
  • you have.
  • I've found that if I'm sitting on my bed,
  • I'm not going to get any work done.
  • So sitting on a table and trying to have
  • that experience in the environment around me
  • where we're all focused on schoolwork.
  • I think that kind of helped me more in general.
  • Thank you.
  • Great.
  • Anything else?
  • Oh, great.
  • Thank you.
  • We have a nice comment in the chat from Elizabeth.
  • Thank you so much.
  • Thank you.
  • Anyone else have anything they'd like
  • to say before we close today?
  • Just want to give it another minute--
  • I know it takes a second, like I said, to get to the chat
  • and sometimes to just even hit unmute in these sessions.
  • OK.
  • Well, thank you so much to both of you for today.
  • We really appreciate it.
  • Again, I'm proud to be a part of it as Western C.A.R.E.S.
  • and to be able to work on this project with you both.
  • And Dharitri, before we close, would you
  • like to say anything about the next session coming up?
  • On Thursday, our guest will be Samia Jannat.
  • And she will be talking about death and dying.
  • And we are going to have the series every Tuesday, Thursday,
  • so, please, talk to friends if they would like to attend.
  • And all of these will be also available
  • in the Western archives, the Center for Pacific Northwest
  • Studies, after the series is over at some point.
  • And it will be available to the public.
  • So thank you for taking time off to attend, and thank you, Rose,
  • once again.
  • Wonderful.
  • Thank you to you both, and thank you for everyone
  • for coming today.
  • The audience really is a big part of this series,
  • and we're very grateful to have you here.
  • And, yes, like she said, please, do come and join us
  • again because there's a lot of-- many people
  • that will be coming to be interviewed.
  • And it's going to be a very interesting series,
  • so we hope to see you again.
  • Thank you so much.
  • Have a wonderful afternoon, everybody.
  • Thank you to Rose as well.
  • Bye, everyone.
  • Have a wonderful afternoon.